Episode
Annie Hamilton reveals SHOCKING information on the Guardian Pod.
Referenced:
- Panic Room
- Kristen Stewart
- Jodie Foster
- Jared Leto
- Forest Whitaker
- David Fincher
- Bring Her Back
- Talk to Me
- Ghostbusters
- The Ring
- The Killing
- Zodiac
- Seven
- Fight Club
- The Social Network
- The Backrooms
- The Shining
- Signs
- M. Night Shyamalan
- Trap
- Josh Hartnett
- Paper Moon
- A Star Is Born
- Mulan
- My Dog Skip
- Seabiscuit
- The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo
- Paul Thomas Anderson
- Martin Scorsese
- Battle Royale
- Eastbound & Down
- Love & Pop
- Wong Kar Wai
- Park Chan-wook
- Oldboy
- The Handmaiden
- Decision to Leave
- The Birdcage
- Mike Nichols
- The Graduate
- Broadcast News
- Albert Brooks
- Defending Your Life
- Curb Your Enthusiasm
- Hamilton
- Annie
- Perfect Blue
- Satoshi Kon
- Kiki's Delivery Service
- Paprika
- Japan Sinks: 2020
- Hayao Miyazaki
- Porco Rosso
- The Pianist
- The Brutalist
- The Zone of Interest
- Jonathan Glazer
- Under the Skin
Transcript
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We just watched Panic Room, and we have Annie Hamilton on the Zoom call here. How's it going, Annie?
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I'm scared shitless. I don't know what more to say. I know it wasn't a scaring movie, but I am. We'll get into it. I'm okay.
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And this is a Guardian exclusive special episode. Annie, we could not go to the actual theater with her. So we did a Zoom call episode, but don't worry. To watch the movie, you still need to be 17 plus. So she
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virtually was our guardian.
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We're not breaking the rules. It's still guardian level. So I think what did we all think of Panic Room? I thought
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it was epically terrifying, and I need to hear why I can tell that you both don't think so. I mean, I truly did the sneakiest thing, which I think James might have caught me on, but hopefully you'll be honest, which is that within 20 minutes of that movie, I was like, Kristen Stewart's going to die. I absolutely can't handle this. And I just fast forwarded through the whole movie to make sure Kristen Stewart would be okay. And then I went back. So I really cheated so hardcore on this movie. And I don't have real thoughts
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about it afterwards, but that's how much I
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was bleeding from the insides. But you guys are Los Angeles kids, so perhaps
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there's no excuse for me. James,
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did you catch her?
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Did you catch her doing that? I did. I mean, I saw
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you covering your eyes at a point in the movie. I did see that. But I mean, yeah, I guess you kind of sold yourself out. We would have
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never known. We would have never known if you could say it.
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My heart is beating so fast that I'm in confession room right now. I just can't not be honest with you guys about
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the whole body experience I just went through. I honestly
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feel like, I don't know, I don't feel, I mean, I think it was like a, I liked the movie. It was good. I just didn't feel like very scared. Obviously, like we were talking about like a couple minutes ago, like it's very, you know, bright out for us right now. It's only like seven PM in May, so. Don't
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be nice to me. That wasn't a scary movie. I just need to talk about what a scary movie is in order for us to like, first. Like what is the scariest movie both of you have ever seen and let me think of what mine is.
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The scariest movie. Well, honestly,
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I don't think I really get that scared by movies.
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With Whitmer Thomas, who went to see Bring Her Back and that was really scary. That was really
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scary, actually. Bring Her Back was really scary. The directors have talked to me. That's really scary.
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Cause it's like the body. It's really
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scary too. I saw talk to me. I
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think the scariest stuff for me is probably the body horror stuff. Because like
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this like five year olds like eats a knife and it's like, it just explodes his jaw. Like something that that's, the body horror stuff is really gets me. That's the, that's the really scary stuff.
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But isn't that more grossed out than scared? Yeah, I guess it's
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like, I mean, I guess how do you classify scared?
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That's more grossed out. Yeah,
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look at your heart. Like, do you ever have the impulse? Maybe this is the difference between men and women, but to like turn on the lights, but you don't. But like, you're kind of like, ooh, I'd pause this. Never. Have you experienced that? I don't
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think I've ever, I don't think I've ever experienced that.
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I don't know about that, but I know that a lot of the times,
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not really anymore, but like probably like, like two, three years ago when I started to watch more of like, you know, like movies, like radar movies, I definitely was like sleeping in my parents' bed like half the time after I watched some of those movies. I'm trying
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to, I think like,
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if I know that I've slept in my parents' room before, after movies, but like those. when I was really young. And those were like ghostbusters and stuff. So it was like, I
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don't know if those really count. I
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think probably the scariest film I've ever seen. I mean, I remember the jump scares get me a lot. I know I think the ring, I think scared me. The ring scares
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the shit out of me. I saw it around your age when I was young.
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That scared me a lot. But I don't know if I would classify this as like a horror movie. I think it's definitely not a horror
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movie. It's just really, it's so, my worst nightmare that I didn't know existed until I watched this. But I also am relating to a billionaire, which I am not. And I am relating to like being a mother, which I'm not. Like I don't know why this just, but I also, as I was telling Max James, I just saw this movie. It's like Stanley Cooper's maybe third or fourth movie. Maybe it's a second. I don't know, but it's called The Killing. And it's about like a race horse track. And I was scared in that too. So we can move away from scary. And I will try to legitimately talk about the film. I just like, I mean, you don't think that they intended for a bit of a heart racer there. They're like crying on us with a child. We
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definitely did. I mean, I mean, I can definitely say for sure. I was for sure like, I was definitely invested in the movie. Just like you, I was like, yeah, please don't die, Christian Stewart. I was
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like, yeah. But I feel like
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the whole movie, I think really the scary part of the movie was like Raul's character. Because, I mean, he just kind of a loose cannon. So he would like, I was like, okay, he might slid.
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We don't trust him. I think the movie probably
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intended for people in the theater to be like, no, don't go in there. That kind of like a horror vibe. I think they definitely, they wanted some heart race. Um, that's, I think that's why they added Raul in there. This should be like, Oh, something could go wrong. Uh, having the
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father show up is imagining it, watching your father in the security camera and getting, getting like beating the shit out of it. Also, they don't think he's going to come because the divorce is the background of the tale, which I think this is probably an extension of like what I haven't resolved yet, um, from my own parents divorce. I have no good excuse for why this was that bad. Did you have you guys, you've seen Zodiac? Yeah.
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Did that scare you? Uh, Zodiac, I remember I watched Zodiac on Christmas when I was really young. I think like, I watched it with my cousin when I was nine or 10 and I remember it scaring me. I just remember it being like, this guy's like crazy, like
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he's like sick. He's like, he's like anonymous
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Scott guy. I just remember it being like, whoa, this guy really thought this out. I don't know if I thought it was scary.
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Yeah, I guess. Well, I mean, there's that one scene where like you guys remember that scene where like the couple's having the picnic picnic.
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That's my yeah, that's that's the scene. I remember
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the most of the, that's
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the one where it's like everyone kind of remembers it. And that one definitely freaks me out because it's I'm yeah, that one's rough for me. That
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one is incredible for me. I also think
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that, you know, scary movies have become a little dull for our generation, especially like in a time of like, like being on social media and stuff. And it's like when you are like having paying attention to like the news was such an easy access through social media. It's like, we know this isn't real because we kind of see real stuff like all the time on social media. So it's like, we kind of know this isn't real. So we kind of filter that the scary part out just being like. Oh, like real worst stuff to the movie.
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Yeah, I mean,
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when I whenever I'm in the AMC, it's I would say like, there's maybe 10 trailers and probably like six of them are horror now. I feel all
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horror. Yeah. And then they start
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out, it's always like, Oh, like happy vacation or like honeymoon. And then like the music just switches. And I feel like
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there's a
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lot of horror movies being made now. Oh,
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yeah, all of them have like a remix of a popular song to be scary. They're all I mean, if you look at any horror movie trailer, it's all just like it switches up from like a romance to a horror movie. And they're using like a popular song with just eerie music in the background instead of
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like that or the songs. It's always playing the song and it's like, and then like the song, that's like, yeah, I mean, I don't know. But you could just tell like when I'm with a theater with you max, we're always just like, yeah, this one's definitely a horror movie in the first two seconds. So yeah. But what they
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do with horror movies now, I from the very few I've seen is they try to make them humorous points. What I appreciate about this number is that at no time was their time for a joke. That was the most serious there was never like some, I mean, it was like Donnie Foster being like, I've done it now. But like it was never the only time I laughed was when Jared Leto died because it's Jared Leto and like, thank God he's dead.
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That's the part
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I laughed at. That was the only part I laughed at is that he had cornrows. What did you say?
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Oh my God, the cornrows. Yeah, that's the
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only part I laughed at is when he walked in and he had cornrows. Yeah,
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I can tell it was him at the start until they did the zoom in on his face. I genuinely thought it was like a person of color at the start. So I was super
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cool. I truly thought that all the performances were so impressive besides Jared Leto to single him out because he did not come from a rich background. He like chose like, he should have been a rich kid who like tries to like act like he knows shit. Wait, didn't
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he? He did come from a rich background. He did come from
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a rich background. With all the loans. And
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it's his money. He was breaking
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in. It was his family's money.
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But then why didn't they recognize him? Very confusing.
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I didn't they give him to the grandpa died but they just never gave out the inheritance money or they never knew. That
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was the father. Unfortunately, he did look very old.
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But that was the divorced dad. It was the divorced dad. But then,
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so the guy living in that house died and then Jared Leto was his grandpa
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basically and then he
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wanted like his fair share of the 22 million but then he only told them there was like three million so he could take like 20 million.
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Yeah. Perfect plan.
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Yeah, they wouldn't find out about it when they
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get into the safe. I mean, it's crazy. I think the scene, I mean, the last scene is pretty powerful when he all the bombs just fly away into the air. That
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felt, that was like, oh, yeah, this is supposed to be poetic.
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Yeah, a little force, a little force but I see it was like, that's pretty cool. Imagine like walking down the street and you get a $1 million
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bond. A $1 million bond? Yeah.
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So what's the process for going
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to the bank? I don't know if you just walk into the bank with a bank bond and someone else's name and dollars
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in cash. I feel
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like in those days you could get on a plane easier.
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There are things, he has friends in the dark
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webs who know how to translate the money. I'm not worried about that the scene that is like the most insane to me is when he that I didn't think was Heavy-handed or I feel like I'll make it down cringe But when force Whitaker is giving her the shot and says that he couldn't give his kids The the life that she has and things weren't supposed to turn out this way did you guys do that? Feel forced you or did you like yeah?
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Well honestly like during I was like
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thinking about what why one spends five years of their life Making panic room if you're the writer, you know like why you would spend two years writing this and to like What are you going on? What's going on in your in that beautiful mind of yours? I really loved it the
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the entire movie was shot on a set So they built they so from what I've learned from Alex Huggins ex-guardian who taught me that's not Passguarding not ex-guarding we
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Yeah
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Yeah He told me that they basically built an entire street on a set and they that's like a they built Like the apartment and they built the entire street on a set So that whole thing is a set which I find pretty crazy is that they just built an entire street on a set and It's even though it's just those two houses. They still built the entire street, which is crazy Groundstones
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like actually I
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mean you can look up the photos There's a wolf now what I've learned is there's a documentary about shooting the movie because this is also one of the first movies It is the first movie. I'm pretty sure to do those special effects with going through rooms Like going through the floors and stuff like that and you can kind of tell that they were They love their special effects and that they were doing anything with the special effects
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but um
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Yeah, so I Could
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tell was a Fincher movie for sure I mean it was it felt like green to me like the movie I don't know that that's like the color I got from it And I feel like I'm like seven or something But then also like the actual like house itself for some reason it really reminded me of like the house that They all live in and fight club that one It's
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very late 90s early 2000s looking I
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was just more impressed by The kit
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the social network is my favorite movie which you can judge me for I go down with the ship on that one and That feels very Fast paced because there's so many I feel like Fincher movies are take place in a bunch of Cool locations and for it all to have I wasn't ever needing to leave that house I never found my mind being like I can't wait for the shot where she runs down the street or even at the very end You know, I was I was happy to just be in that God forsaken home. And so I'm I'm sure I the jockey new camera movements that He was trying out. We're very helpful to that I don't know. I usually make fun of camera movements like that cuz I'm like, okay We get it like we're just trying to I just want to like I want to be with the actors and and have a good time And a needle dropper too, but I thought the fancy camera work was cool
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Yeah, was there even a lot of music in the movie? I don't even think I noticed it was
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that sort of like, yeah Undertone school. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah in the bottom. Yeah, I mean you really you look at The back rooms movie now. I don't know if you've seen the trailer for it I saw the trailer.
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Yeah really utilizes
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that going through rooms effect When they go through into the back rooms So, you can
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thank Fincher for that one.
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Fincher, you've got your- The guy who made Backrooms obviously
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has only seen the movie. That's how he learned to direct. He's watched Panic Room like over
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400 times. This is his inspiration. I know, yeah, of course. He probably saw it with The Guardian because he's only 19. So, he probably saw it with The Guardian. Do an
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episode on that movie because I'm pretty excited. I mean, it looks really, I don't know. I mean, yeah, it looks good. I don't know too much about it, but. I'm so
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excited. I think it looks really, yeah. I think, I'll see it even though it's scary.
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I, you asked this one. That one is supposed
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to be scary for sure. That
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one is supposed to be scary. You asked us what the scariest movie we have seen is, and I want to know what's the scariest movie that you have seen as someone who is very anti-scary movie.
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It's, I want to have the stomach. I really wish I had that gene. I don't have it. I can watch Holocaust movies at the Wazoo. I can watch sort of very sad to the point of like, you know, sort of like the white ribbon extremes of psychological scares and sadness. Am I even speaking English? But I guess the scary, I'm like, what is the scary movie I've seen? I haven't seen The Shining. I'm calling
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it. I know. That one's not even scary. I tried
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it. It scared me so much. The ring was really scary. The
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signs was really scary for me.
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You seen signs? No, what is that? M Night Shyamalan. Oh,
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M Night Shyamalan? Okay, yeah. Maybe we have to see it. I just saw Trap for the first time.
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Wait, is it called Trap? What in the earth is Trap?
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It's about a guy, so it's about a dad taking his dog. her to like the equivalent of Taylor Swift concert. And it's a he's a serial killer.
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And they know,
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wait, who plays it? Is it it's not Josh?
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Josh, who is it? I don't. Yeah. Sure.
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Okay. The it's oh, Josh Hartnett, Josh Hartnett.
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They walk down the
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arena basically, and it's like him trying to escape. But he's also there with his child and she doesn't know. The
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entire concert has been set up to catch him. Yeah. Apparently.
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Wow. Wow. Yeah. Yeah.
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So, um, I didn't really like it that much.
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I loved it. I loved it.
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I can't believe you didn't like it. I thought you did. I thought you loved it.
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I mean, I honestly just it felt so weird that like his daughter was there and then he's acting like he like the most loved the whole time he's trying to act like they he's a super loving father, but then then you see like flashbacks of him like just pumping someone's head and with like a huge.
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Yeah, I know.
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But yeah, um, yeah, you get it was weird. I didn't like it. So
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little girl in that movie very feminine. I'm let me see it. Wait, she
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have a dolly. I mean, she likes Taylor Swift. Yes.
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Yeah. She's very feminine. Yeah, she's very feminine. She's very, she's very feminine.
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I appreciate that there was a paper moon thing going on with
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Kirsten, Kristen Stewart. She had a full I thought her acting was so impressive and she wasn't the kind of I would have she didn't have like blonde ringlets. Like she wasn't signaling to me that she in fact she was she knew more than her mom in the beginning. She that was it was cool to watch a kid that I wasn't that scared about. I was more scared for the mother having to see the kid, but I was pretty confident in Kristen that she would get. out of there, or if she was being tortured, she'd really take it heroically. And I appreciate that she was an old soul little girl. Yeah,
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I think, I mean, this is definitely a suspenseful watch. So I didn't really feel, felt like bored at any time by it. I felt like it really kept the pace with the movie, even though it's an only one location.
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It was almost two hours as well. So I didn't feel bored either. I can't remember
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the last time I saw a two hour flick.
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Me neither. We're on shorts all day. I totally watched
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them all the time. Yeah. Yeah. So if
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we were to give this movie a ranking out of five, what are we given panic room? I'll give it a four.
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I'm
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throwing up a five. I truly am throwing up a five. I have
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already ranked this. I'm not a rock, because I have already seen it, unfortunately. And I also gave it a five.
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So it is,
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we're five and a four, four and a half. I think that is the highest guardian average that we that we've ever had. Yeah.
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Just that's the problem, you know,
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that you have, you have everyone. I, my bar for movies has gone down so low recently, but I feel if I, my attention is zapped in and I, feel something, anything, what, why am I, I like a lot of things besides scary movies. And so the fact that I made it through this one makes it just one of the best movies I've ever seen. Yeah. I
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mean, I guess there, I can't really find, I don't have a major problem with it. It's just like,
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I feel like a big deal. I feel like- Four is
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high. Four is high. You don't need to- I know, I know it's just, I don't know. For me, I guess, I wouldn't say my bar is high, but it's just harder for me. It has to be more like, I don't know. That's the more of a thing, like give it a five. For me, it's like, I don't know. It feels weird giving a movie a five for me. This would
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never come on my letterbox four. I will never watch this again to be perfectly clear. This is the first and last time I view Panic Room. I gave myself the gift of seeing it and now I'll put it away. But I just thought it was so engaging and so simple. Like it's entertainment, it's
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good entertainment. Have you done a letterbox stop for? Has that, have they interviewed you yet? They
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have not. I have nothing to be interviewed as of yet, but I have a really good answer for when they ask me. Okay,
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we're not gonna steal the shine from a letterbox. Can I
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please steal it? Okay, great.
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All right, here we go. I have to ask you what it is. Welcome to the Guardian Podcast. We have Annie Hamilton here and she's about to do her top four favorite movies, letterbox style. Annie Hamilton, what are your top four favorite movies of all time? I'm
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gonna go with A Star is Born, 1941. I'm gonna go with A Star is Born, 1957. I'm gonna go with A Star is Born, 1973. And A Star is Born, Bradley Cooper.
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I didn't know there were four of them. Why has no
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one given that answer? It's such a good, but I didn't do the delivery well. The bit I have to do like, what was my next one, ooh, ooh, ooh, and I didn't do that.
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I see, I have never even heard of A Star is Born except the one with like Lady Gaga or whatever.
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Yeah, there's a Chris
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Christofferson and Babs like get in there. Yeah,
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I got the years wrong. I just tried
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to say it with confidence, but they're around that there's a 70s one, I think there's a 40s one, but my real letterbox four is... is Tootsie, the notebook, Annie Hall, sorry, and Titanic. That is my letter box four. I'm not gonna lie to you, but I've seen very dancing movies. I know some other things too, but those I would watch every truly, if you sat me in a cell in the panic room, I would watch all of those happily every day for the rest of my life. I
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mean, I've never even seen Titanic. I gotta be honest.
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I haven't seen it. I
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haven't seen it. I just have something to look forward to, I guess.
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Yeah. No, I'm knowing for myself that I shouldn't
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have risen to the top. Titanic is probably not our though, is it? Let me say.
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It's also three hours, but that would have been a joy
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to give you. I
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know I could have given it to you, a parent or a loved one
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has to give you Titanic. It's like a present. It's
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like a present. It's not. It's a big life moment.
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Have you seen it, James? I have,
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but I watched it on a road trip. So like in the back on
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the minivan, on that
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small TV in the back. So yeah, I'd say it probably deserves a rewatch, definitely. But a
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mother, a loved one gave it to you. So that's the proper
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way to speak Titanic. Which probably don't have anymore, but yeah. Or it's probably around here somewhere. Yeah, but it definitely deserves a rewatch soon. It's gonna
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be good. Annie,
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what was the, do you remember the first horror movie that you saw? I think it might
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have been artificial intelligence. Is that a horror movie? No. Steven Spielberg,
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right? Yeah. Artificial. Is that
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not a horror movie?
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I mean, I guess it's whatever scared
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you so much. I mean, it's a. Science fiction, but that's very adjacent. Mulan
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was the first movie I ever saw in theaters and that scared me, but I'm not counting her as a horror movie because I know that she's Disney.
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I get very caught up in,
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not once I've been on some movie sets, not once do I, I try to train myself to say Annie, those are people who go to work and imagine the scene is over and they're getting food at crafty and I can't take myself, it just feels that the new reality is there and I've never been able to separate the movie from my living room, which is just happening.
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That's true. James, I don't know if you know this, but I once peed on a film that Annie Hamilton was in. That was...
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Sure did. Have you seen it? No,
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I haven't. What is it? We gotta get you a link. I
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don't even know what it is. I don't know what...
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I don't remember anything. I don't even know what it's about. You didn't read the script?
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No, I mean, I never
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got one. I had no idea. What are you doing?
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I'll get you a link. I'll get you a link. All right, guys,
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watch out for that, Annie Hamilton. Watch out, watch out
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for that. A new movie soon
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enough. Yeah, I mean, I feel like it'd
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be actually a good thing. I'd prefer it if I wasn't able to separate myself from a movie, because I don't really cry during movies, but my parents are like, oh, you're insane. You should be able to cry. But I was like, yeah, that's the best part of movies. And yeah, I feel like it'd be better. You haven't seen
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the right one yet. That's not your fault. You haven't seen the right one. I
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haven't seen the right one. Yeah, I guess I haven't seen the right one, but honestly, I feel like it'd be more fun to really not be able to separate yourself than you're fully in it.
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What movies have you cried to? My dog Skip.
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My dog Skip.
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This is about a dying dog
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My not gonna say anything fellas. I think you should just give my
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dog skip a quick my dog skip Wait,
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is that not the guy from Malcolm in the middle? It
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sure isn't is it? I thought it was Toby Okay,
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I don't thank you. Yes. Yeah It
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is Frankie Muniz. Yes. Sorry. How could I think he was Toby?
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Is that the guy that is the guy? Oh my god No way. Okay. Yeah, I got it. I got it. Yes. Okay. I have to I have Have to watch it. I don't see
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biscuit. That's Toby. Those are two. I think male
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About the the horse Yeah, wait,
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what is it? Which wire see biscuit
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like a book about see biscuit, but I haven't seen the movie That's
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not gonna make you cry like the movie. Well, yeah, I
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mean animal animal stuff Yeah, that's that's some sad stuff. I mean I've seen a Dog's life or a dog's tail. I think it's what it's called, but I don't yeah, that's probably yeah, I guess Yeah, that's a rookie
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shit. No, no, no You need it
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because these animals mean financial collapse.
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They mean families torn apart the animals are just a poetic little piece to Shatter Someone's home life. So you're just gonna tell me we'll we'll keep in touch. You let me know
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if you're Skid well, I don't know if I'm ready
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Doesn't sound like you are. I know if you don't think you are you're not so
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what are the movies that you guys most enjoy watching?
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Comedies comedies for sure are where it's at for me right now. I mean if I'm watching something I Like it to be fun. I like it. That's what I feel like I can Put the most attention into but I'm sometimes down for a For a drama, but like I don't love it. I don't love it I
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guess I could definitely speak for you when whenever I'm at your house and we're trying to find a move you watch, I'll suggest like super dark movies and then we'll just end up watching some YouTube videos.
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So, that's classic, that's classic. I
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mean, we rented probably, I
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remember I was at his house once and I rented the girl with the dragon tattoo and then we watched 15
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minutes of it and then we were just playing GTA
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for like three hours. So, yeah.
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I mean, it's like, when I'm with you, it's like I'm not trying to watch a movie that's not in English, that's black and white. You're not trying
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to watch, like, are you guys really into PTA and Martin Scorsese or not really?
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No, I'm into PTA, PTA and Martin. I mean, I've been trying to watch Battle Royale with you Max for like two years now, say no every time.
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Well, I mean, you're making me seem like I'm like superficial,
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like shallow minded.
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I'm not, I love film. I understand it's probably weird
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to watch that type of movie with someone else. I don't know, maybe I'm-
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You're making it seem like you're like the most prestigious guy on the earth.
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Let me just sound, I just prefer watching like more Sears movies with someone else than just myself.
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No, I have to watch him by myself. Like if I'm sitting next to you, like I want to watch something that will like make us laugh like eastbound and down or something is what I would want to watch. But like when I'm alone, I'm down to watch like whatever. I just saw this movie, shoot Alex, Alex Huggins again, suggested it that was in Japanese.
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No, it's a bit, it's all shot
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on these. I think it's like my girl pop or something. Hold on. Yeah,
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yeah, yeah, I've seen that. I haven't seen it.
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That's not what I'm talking about. Oh,
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I'll cut this part out because I need to find it now. It's pop, it's like my father. or pop or lovin' pop, it's called lovin' pop.
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No, Max, lovin' pop. Well, yeah, no, I haven't seen this. Yeah, this is one that you suggested we watch together.
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Oh, wow, this is a Japanese experimental film.
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Yeah, but Alex, I haven't suggested it that I should watch it and it was so good. It's all shot on these mini digital go-pros and they're very good. So James, I'll watch whatever. I don't need to just watch YouTube. No, no, I'm
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not, I guess. Well, I remember, yeah, I remember you told me about this, but yeah, I haven't seen it. But I do really like watching a lot of movies from Asia. Like I feel like right now, I really like watching movies from Hong Kong for some reason. I really like those type of movies right now. Like Wong Kar-Wai is my favorite director right now. What was
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the movie No Other Choice? Did you see that? My favorite
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movie of 2026. It was so good. Me too. I
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didn't get a chance to see it. You gotta see
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it. Have you seen any Park Chon
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-Wook movies? They're
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too scary. They are pretty scary. He did The
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Handmaiden, yeah. Boy and yeah. He did Old
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Boy Handmaiden, but this
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one's so good. Like you watch some of the other movies that come out in 2025 and they are just like not, you can just tell that this is like more than what appears in the surface, this movie. It's like all about. For a film
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or something. He has to be like an assassin or something like
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that. No, the basic premise of the movie is that he gets fired from his job and then he's up for another job but there's a bunch of people ahead of him in line and he has to kill all the people who are ahead of him in line. But yeah, it's so good. You have to watch it, James. Yeah, for
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sure. Have you seen any other Park Chon
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-Wook, Annie?
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Can't believe I'm being honest. I don't think I have. I don't think I have. I couldn't make it through. Hold on. Have I? I couldn't make it through. uh, old boy. Yeah, I haven't seen Decision to Leave You There. No. And I really had to go to the movies with someone that I am scared of and respect too much to not have, I can only be held at gunpoint to watch a scary, which I'm including you guys doing a podcast. I won't watch, I won't put myself through anything that makes my heart race. I like comedies too. I just want to, at the end of the day, I'm just wanting to laugh. And then I chickened out on Birdcage because I thought that it might be too slow for Jen Young's. Yeah,
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we were originally supposed to watch Birdcage. Um, and James was about to rent it and then got
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two clicks away. Two
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clicks away. So if you actually did though, I will
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happily... Oh, it's Nathan Lane.
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Nathan Lane and Robin Williams. It's amazing.
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And also Mike Nichols is my favorite guy. I just got scared that my taste wasn't
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going to be right. My dad told me that he loves it. So I'm probably just going to watch it soon anyways. So yeah. But yeah.
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It's really the best movie. Yeah. Yeah.
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I wouldn't say that came out like 19, wasn't 90s? 90s.
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Yeah. Or I think early 90s. Yeah. What
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is it about so we can get ready to
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watch it? It takes place in Miami. And it's about a kind of nightlife dancer whose son shows up and the nightlife dancer is gay. It's so it's... I'm like giving away... There's not really anything to give away in this setup, but for some reason I feel protective of explaining the bird cage correctly. Yeah. Robin Williams is a nightclub dancer. He's in a relationship with Nathan Lane. They have to pretend... that they're straight because the sun is coming to visit, I think is what's happening, but also you could just be on Wikipedia right now being like Annie, you can remember the bird cage absolutely and correctly. This
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is, my fear is talking about movies, guys.
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You're getting me over pretty much every time I see a movie, I see it alone because I don't like the experience of sharing
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what I feel about a movie afterwards
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with somebody else. I don't like giving away what I just experienced, but it probably is more of a cover for the fact that I don't have the language to, I know what I feel, I know when I laugh, I know when something really makes me happy or sad, and other than that, I have very limited movie talking resources unfortunately, but I must not, now I'm making excuses. I'm like, I'm a writer, so I definitely know how to talk about movies, but only you two will be the judge and you can talk about that after we get off the Zoom. There was a question I wanted to ask. Oh, have you guys seen at Mike Nichols movies? He did the graduate, he did.
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Oh, I just, someone just gave me a gift of the vinyl of the soundtrack of the...
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You guys haven't seen the graduate? No, I haven't.
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What are you doing? I had a movie themed bar mitzvah and my parents dressed up as a graduate. Everyone would dress up in different clothes. So I'm yet to watch it, but I have to watch it. Oh, it's
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incredible. That I can actually tell you the set up for it. That's such a, maybe that will make you cry, James.
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Yeah, hopefully, it's long overdue.
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Another, have you seen broadcast news
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that really makes me cry? No, what is that?
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That's a comedy by James Albrooks, but it's so
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warmhearted it makes me cry. It's about a bunch of newscasters getting ahead in the workforce. James Albrooks executive produced The Simpsons, but he also
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directed... Oh, Albert Buckhead.
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Yeah, Albert Brooks is wonderful in it. Are you guys fans of his movies?
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Yeah, I don't know if the producers holds up though. I don't think-
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That's Mel Brooks. Oh wait, well who's Albert Brooks? These Brookses are very, Albert Brooks did Defending Your Life, which is- Oh, I
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love Albert Brooks. I love Defending Your Life. Yes, I love Defending Your Life. Defending Your Life is great. That used to be one of my favorite movies.
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Yeah, it's such a good movie.
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I don't know why I thought it was Mel Brooks. I think I thought it was Mel Brooks because I'm watching Curb Your Enthusiasm and then the same season that- Have you seen Curb Your Enthusiasm?
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Of course! Yeah, the same season that
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Larry David does the producer's musical. He also goes to Albert Brooks's fake funeral. So I think I got him confused because I'm watching Curb right now. It's a common
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mix up. Albert Brooks, so you remember him next time. His real name is Albert Einstein.
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That's what his parents named him. Is it actually? It truly
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is. Siblings go by Einstein.
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It truly is. Which
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you would think would backfire on a kid if he had to grow up with that name, but I think it propelled him to be a perfect, special, unique, singular comic genius because he was simply a get me out of that guy's lane. I got to do something just as memorable.
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Look at his last name. That's it. Err, did he just change his
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last name? Is
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this his real name? Oh, he changed it. He full on changed it.
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I think he changed it. I mean, anyone with the last name
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Epstein right now is probably trying to change it too.
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Weinstein Epstein, you got to go. You would think
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my last name has to go too because of the hit musical Hamilton.
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Well, I was actually thinking about Promo
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that I had to do for on the Guardian pod and I did a bunch of different designs for it. I put you on top of this. are from Hamilton, I just, whenever I do a gardening, I make like just like 10 different. You wouldn't be the
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first to do that and it cackles me every time. I can't
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do it then. No, you have to do it. It's
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not online or anywhere, I won't see it. Oh my
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God, wait, you haven't seen Hamilton? My name is two musicals.
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My name is Annie Hamilton. Two hit hit,
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yeah. Oh my God. Has it
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propelled you in life? I chose Annie
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was the first movie that I really fell in love with. My real name's Antonia. And so when I was five, I decided that I was going to go by Annie because I felt like an orphan even though I have both parents living to this day. And a brother, and I just loved her so much. And then when Hamilton came out, people started to tell me that my name was two musicals and I felt a little bit of shame, but I've gotten past it. I now just think it's funny because I'm Jewish and it's a very like American. Are you a
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big advocate for album music?
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I'm, yes, I am. I sure am. Very simple to use, love a clean layout. The Spotify, it gets all, I don't want people to see what I'm listening to. That's worse than seeing my bank
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account. I don't think people can see my playlist. That's the one part I don't like. So I've made so many playlists where it's just like, like where I make my playlist.
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Or like I
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just quickly make a five song playlist for something I need to do or like going in the shower or something like that. And then I don't want my friends. I mean, it's totally public. I didn't, I don't like when people like see my playlist from three years ago when I was listening to like anime intros. So yeah. No
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shame in listening to an anime intro.
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Yeah, no, I mean, they're really great. So maybe. I
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just watched sort of an anime. Is this an anime? Have you guys seen Perfect Blue?
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Yeah, I love it. Yeah, that's great. Is
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that anime? Yes. I would say so. It's one
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of my favorite movies, yeah. It's
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really, that scared the crap out of me too.
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That was really scary. Satoshi Koen,
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yeah, yeah, he's anime for sure.
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I saw the theater and I, it was a very cool crowd in London and I was, I was dodging. Yeah,
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I mean, that, that
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one. The rap scene is insane. Yeah,
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yeah, yeah, that's, yeah, that's insane. That is
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insane. Yeah. All right, I don't know if it's insane is the right word for it, but that really haunted me.
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That's crazy. I realized, I looked it up, I actually haven't seen Perfect Blue. There's an animated rape scene in it.
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There, there is. But it's so weird because when
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I, I suggest probably about a year ago, I was like, oh dad, let's watch this. And it looks like, and it
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looks cute. It looks like Kiki's delivery service.
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It looks really cute. And the description does not do the movie justice. It's just like, oh murder, who done it? Really does, it seems like a nice anime. And then it's probably one of the darkest movies I've ever seen. So Max, I
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don't, I can't tell you to watch it because I would feel uncomfortable doing that. But one day if you want it, let me know. I
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had to see, sorry, what were you saying?
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Max, you've seen Paprika. He
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did that. I saw Paprika. Yeah, I love Paprika. Paprika
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is great. And he just called the actress
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girls or something. I just watched his anime
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about this girl. I don't, I don't know, James, if you've seen it, but it's about a girl who's super power is that she can get really drunk. Wait, I just watched it. It was super good. I'll find, I'll find the name and send it to you guys. But I don't know if I don't really watch that many, that many animes. Do you? I'm
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getting in. I watched Tokyo Sinks. Have you heard about it? It's a Netflix show.
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No, I haven't heard about it. I got a... Well, I
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haven't talked to a single soul about my late night habit of watching Tokyo Sinks. Now I feel self-conscious. But it's about, you know, if Tokyo were... a natural disaster to sink.
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What would one, it's one little girl's
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like day of the world completely environmentally shuts down and everyone's gonna die and it follows one little school girl as she tries to find her family. Oh, that sucks.
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They're separated. It's really, it's
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a meaningful thing for me. Is Miyazaki anime? Not really. That's just cartoon. I mean,
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he's make some of the best movies. I feel like- Have
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you seen Porco Rosso? No.
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It's apparently his only, I
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just saw it and it's the only one he classifies as his adult movie, which is why he's disappointed in it because it's not for children. It's for everyone. It's not an adult movie, but it is a love story which the rest are not. Michael Keaton plays an ex army flying pig.
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It's so, so
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great and it's only an hour and a half. I mean,
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yeah, I'm looking at some Reddit thread right now of a child who posted on the Reddit thread r slash ghibli who said, can you help me understand Porco Rosso? I'm 12 and don't understand it. So yes, now I am seeing a bunch of stuff saying as I've grown older, I understand Porco. Yeah, I see. You see, that's a little misleading an adult movie with a pig that's named Porco. I would
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never think that this was an adult movie. I really think it's an everyone movie, but I guess I am glad I saw it at 33 as opposed to 13 before I had ever fallen in love. That's probably- Why is it adult?
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Is it like about politics or something? Like, what is it? Why is it- It's about love.
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Oh, whoa. Yeah, yeah, but it's not, it's not superfluous. There's no sex scenes or anything. It's just a pining for each other. Maybe
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Miyazaki taking a weird turn. I think it's perfect. Yeah,
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the other ones scare me besides kikis,
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sorry. Yeah, they definitely get
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away with, they could definitely get away. I mean, I never really dove deep into the Misha subculture of super horrible, just, yeah, exploitation anime, but I know.
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Hentai? Isn't that just hentai?
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Well, I mean, there's also just a bunch of anime because they can get
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away. Like in Japan, like there's, I know they're supposed to be like, like more like censored, but then there's also just like full Reddit groups and like sections of the internet where it's just dedicated to like anime, not even like hentai, which obviously is just porn anime, but there's
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that are just anime, but it's like. I didn't know that.
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Oh, whoa. Okay, I got to go teach an anime something
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today. Yeah, they could
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just make, I mean, anime, they don't really have like sensors because it's animated just like in perfect blue house, like just an R rated movie. But then if it was live action and be basically just gore, like so there's certain things that I guess they just can get away with because animated, but it's still pretty bad. Like,
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I find it worse. Perfect blue made because you can see more in a cartoon. I don't know if I find it worse. I just have no stomach for truly at your age. I was exclusively watching. I thought I was incredibly a serious film watcher and I only watched Scorsese and Polanski and the Night Porter just holocaust movies exclusively straight to the veins.
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What's your favorite holocaust movies? What's your favorite holocaust movies?
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What's your favorite holocaust movies? Obviously the pianist. Well,
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I've never seen the pianist. I'm wondering if you guys, I mean.
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If I made you guys watch the pianist
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tonight? I mean, I'll watch it tonight.
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In the pianist, I've only ever heard the pianist, like our teacher talked about the pianist and everyone just laughs in class because it sounds like she's saying the penis in class.
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That is a problem with that.
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That was
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like, what's his name? Yeah, wait, what's his name? The blue guy? The pianist.
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Miyazaki? No, in the pianist.
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Oh, Adrian Brody. Adrian
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Brody. That was like his like
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best role and then the whole big thing was like that he came back like 20 years later and it was like a full circle moment or whatever. That's like what I remember of it.
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This is his best role as far as I'm concerned.
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I saw, I don't know, I saw him
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in a Venmo ad and he was really good in the Venmo ad, so I don't know. I don't
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think he ever misses. He's amazing as Dolly in Midnight to Paris.
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I think, what did you think about the Brutalist?
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Did you like the Brutalist? I loved it, but this is, I love Holocaust times.
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What do you think, did you like Zone of Interest?
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I liked that a hell of a lot more, yeah. I thought that was one of the more, it's my favorite Glaser, I think, shockingly.
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Every time he makes a movie, Jonathan Glaser, the director, every time
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he makes a movie. I don't know why. This is my movie and then the next one, I'm like, no.
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Absolutely love it.
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He did Under the Skin. Oh yeah.
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I don't know why, but when I, everything was Jonathan Glaser,
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there's this other actor named John Glaser, who's like, he's in like this show De-located that I watched and now I can never disassociate the two. Great, great show. That's, if I can't recommend anything more, it's
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De-located. I think of Jonathan Franzen, who wrote the corrections, so it's a confusing role for these Jonathan's. Well, before... Uh, will you guys tell me what comedies are cool amongst your people? I go to the ones that you guys are like, this is the funniest thing ever. I
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mean, the funny thing is that at our school, the only people in our grade who, who actually watch movies is me and Max, basically.
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So what's you and Max's consensus? I
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don't, yeah. What do you think Max comedies that, I mean, the, the thing that makes people laugh in our grades is basically just like Instagram reels. Like that's like, funny, of course. Honestly,
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like that kills me hearing that cool.
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I mean, I, it's true. And
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the only things that will, um, Instagram reels are pretty funny, but, uh, they are, you don't think they're funny at all. You don't,
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I'm deciding they're not, but also I mostly look at clothes and things. I use it very, I'm a utilitarian on Instagram. I get my food on there. No, I don't grocery shop on Instagram. Anyways, what were we saying? We're going to put, I'm going
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to just put a Instagram reel that I think is funny up on the screen. And I'm going to, uh, when I'm editing this and improve, improve you wrong. And there are some, there are some funny Instagram reels
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of movies taken from, no, I'm sure people are out here being funny on
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Instagram reels. Anyone can be funny for 30
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seconds. Just breaking my heart because I truly imagined all the children of the world going to the movies and loving movies. And now I realize that no matter how much I try to appeal to the youth and no one, your age is going to be into it. Unless like Sabrina Carpenter is in the movie. Do you have
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any advice to any young filmmakers, playwrights, um, or just anyone out there who needs some advice right now?
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Yeah, I do. Uh, you might have noticed, boys, I didn't mention it to you, but I was vaping this entire time. It's nicotine. It's not marijuana. I don't ever take up smoking. Never like take, I can't quit and I'm scared. No, now it's getting so serious. Don't smoke, don't smoke. It doesn't make you cool. It makes you really lame. Thank
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you so much, Annie. We are never going to smoke ever. And
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we don't want any of our eighth grade listeners to smoke either.