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1. 00:00-00:16 Intro / non-speaker visual

   We just got

2. 00:16-00:28 Max Weidenfeld

   back from the movie Daisy's from 1966 and we got Ivy Woke on the zoom call here. How's it going Ivy? Hello.

3. 00:28-00:49 Ivy Wolk

   Hi. Yeah. We saw Daisy's at Brain Dead Studios in Fairfax in Los Angeles, cute little place, cute little ting. Yeah. Who is this movie? I can't pronounce the name of the director of this film.

4. 00:49-00:53 James

   It's like Vera's. It's by Vera

5. 00:53-00:57 Max Weidenfeld

   Chitalova. I don't know. She's from the

6. 00:57-00:59 James

   Czech Republic so I'm so the film.

7. 00:59-01:02 Max Weidenfeld

   Yeah. People want to check us on

8. 01:02-01:05 Ivy Wolk

   this. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Look at that. That was nice. That was

9. 01:05-01:10 Max Weidenfeld

   nice. Yeah.

10. 01:10-01:12 Ivy Wolk

    So I think this

11. 01:12-01:16 Max Weidenfeld

    is going to be kind of a hard movie to talk about because there's not really.

12. 01:16-01:19 James

    It's kind of linear. I don't know. Like, yeah. It's not really.

13. 01:19-01:22 Max Weidenfeld

    I haven't seen anything really

14. 01:22-01:25 James

    that much like it. It was pretty unique. So

15. 01:25-01:39 Max Weidenfeld

    what did we all think of the movie? I understand. It's kind of hard to decide what we... It's more of a message than a plot-driven movie. Yeah. So it might be hard to talk about but what did we all think of the movie? I

16. 01:39-02:46 Ivy Wolk

    thought it was fun. I was definitely entertained if not a little confused but I guess I didn't... I had heard so much about this movie but sort of in a roundabout way where like the content of the film had not really been described to me but it was more so the feeling that it gave. people that I know or like the sort of legacy that it's had or the impact that it's had on like filmmakers that I know. So I was like, I wasn't expecting something completely different. I wasn't expecting a linear story. And it's just not that at all. And it's really just kind of like a collection of vignettes with like different colors and sounds. And it's basically the whole movie if you have not seen Daisy's to anybody viewing this is it's just two girls like kind of just being nasty and binge eating and getting drunk and stealing people's money and causing a ruckus and stepping on things that with their nice shoes on. Yeah, yeah.

17. 02:46-03:33 James

    Yeah, that's honestly a great way to put it. I like I feel like the main thing like I took away from it was like I really liked, you know, like the way it was shot and everything. Like I thought that was really cool. Like kind of how like then it would be like they'd do something and it'd be like flash, flash, flash, like a bunch of that. Like there was like a bunch of cool shots there. Like, I mean, like it's I can't really I feel like it's a movie. I can't even say if like I liked it or not also partly because like I probably didn't like get the message. I don't know. Like I don't know what she was trying. But Vera was trying to like display. I mean, maybe it was like a feminist movie. I mean, it probably was because it got like banned for feminist propaganda. But yeah, I feel like it was shot really, really well. I mean, it did give me like a cool feeling. Like it was definitely a cool movie about your ex.

18. 03:33-04:37 Max Weidenfeld

    Well, after the movie, like before we did the podcast, I wanted to make sure that I knew enough about the movie because we couldn't really talk about plot points in it. So I watched like a like a video on it. And it basically like the main message was like it kept saying is sloppy, ditzy, feminine femininity, femininity, femininity, liberation. Yeah, there we go. I got it. Femininity. They really that's a hard one. um liberation so it's kind of like talking about the way that they're eating and they're kind of being nasty it's kind of like it's breaking the it's feminism in a way that like women don't have to be like you know like they don't have to dress like fully pretty they don't have to like be like in the kitchen or like in the house they're kind of like it's kind of breaking what women were depicted like in movies and what women were like what they were trying yeah you what women were like at the time and it got banned for that so yes that's that's one big but

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    i i i was there a war going on in

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    check or something because there was a lot of war footage in

21. 04:43-04:46 Ivy Wolk

    check in the Czech Republic yeah there was a bunch of bombs

22. 04:46-04:48 James

    not very well versed in the Czech Republic

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    so in the Czech Republic i actually don't

24. 04:51-05:03 Ivy Wolk

    know let me i'm actually gonna sneaky google this right quick while we're chat we're chatting Czech Republic 60s war okay

25. 05:03-05:05 Max Weidenfeld

    there we go let's

26. 05:05-05:32 Ivy Wolk

    see there was a invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968 so two years after the film came out where 200 000 soviet-led troops including polish-hungarian and bulgarian forces crushed the prog spring a period of liberalization under alexander dubishek so it's

27. 05:32-05:36 Max Weidenfeld

    based on world war two i just looked at it i it's based on

28. 05:36-05:38 James

    world war two specifically the u.s

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    naval footage from the pacific theater to frame its themes of destruction and chaos the film uses its imagery to contrast the characters i'm not going to try to say the rest of it but it's it's uh it's it's world war two and i think another big thing but some shit

30. 05:55-06:01 Ivy Wolk

    did go some nasty shit did go down for the Czech community Okay. Yeah,

31. 06:01-06:04 Max Weidenfeld

    kind of a double whammy. I mean,

32. 06:04-06:13 James

    I feel like in the For most of Europe and he's like the 1900s are pretty rough. Yeah

33. 06:16-06:31 James

    Yeah, yeah So I mean But I mean I can see that kind of like if it was like trying to match the theme of the movie because like really it was just like These two girls were just trying to like Cause as much chaos as possible another

34. 06:31-07:09 Max Weidenfeld

    yeah, another thing I saw was that After the movie came out when they banned it, I'm sure this is probably Related to the war that you were talking about but people were like there are way bigger things going on In the Czech Republic right now like you are banning a film and making a big deal about banning a film when we are like in a war Basically, so that was like another big thing why people watched it was like like there's way bigger things We got to be worrying about than a film that's pushing the boundaries So that was another big big

35. 07:09-07:12 James

    thing they talked about Well,

36. 07:12-07:15 Max Weidenfeld

    I mean, I also feel like back then like

37. 07:15-07:31 James

    You know movies actually like movies were getting banned all all over the place like movies and books Like I feel like it's not so much today because now it's all about like like even at our school Like if they have like a whole like part of the library dedicated. It's like

38. 07:31-07:34 Ivy Wolk

    Yeah, like that's that's the whole thing now, but like, you

39. 07:34-07:47 James

    know back then it was like it was like a thing to ban media So like I feel like also like anything that wasn't like, you know perfectly in line could it was like, you know Could get banned true.

40. 07:47-07:50 Max Weidenfeld

    Yeah, we do This

41. 07:50-09:01 Ivy Wolk

    movie apparently was like the Sort of first entry into the check new wave movement or like an early entry into the that new wave movement, which was, I think, if my reading serves me right, it was like across the board, sort of as experimental or similarly experimental to daisies. And I liked the style of it. There's like a lot of interesting moments that I haven't actually, I don't think I've actually seen this use in other filmmaking where there's like colored filters over the camera lens. And so there are just like entire scenes where the, it's they're like interstitials between main action where the girls or whatever they're looking at is like blue or bright yellow or bright red. And that was curious. And then there's other parts of the movie where they also have these interstitials that are like sort of stop motion collages or like pictures of things flashing by really fast and like arranging in an order.

42. 09:01-09:04 James

    And that was really interesting

43. 09:04-09:18 Ivy Wolk

    as well. And I found the sound design that went along with those things to also be really cool. Like you could sort of, when there was pictures going by really fast, you could hear like the papers crunching. And I

44. 09:18-09:20 James

    think like this movie is

45. 09:20-09:58 Ivy Wolk

    a total like sensory experience like as much as it is like fun and silly and like a romp to watch these two divas just like nasty out. It is also like there are a lot of like, you know, detailed audio components and strange things to look at. And there's a very tactile field to the whole movie where like you're getting, I mean, even in what they are doing, they're very actions. It's like they're digging their bare fucking hands into

46. 09:58-10:01 James

    plates of food and they're like. covered in

47. 10:01-10:35 Ivy Wolk

    sauce and they're like Got their feet out and they're just like running around and they're being nasty she's like, you know reaching from across the room to put like a A spear into a massive fucking jar of like bright green pickles with like I just remember like that neon green water that like the brine that the pickles were in and it's just like this whole movie is like evokes like a real sensory response of just like Overwhelmed like there's just there's

48. 10:35-10:37 James

    Something happening

49. 10:37-10:41 Ivy Wolk

    for all of your senses to sort of contend with yeah I

50. 10:41-11:37 James

    mean, I feel like if I you know like I'm not like a Connoisseur of like art house niche films but like if I had to like Say like what the perfect like example of a film that's like doing like everything it's like this where it's like, you know They're like changing colors like it was going from like a purple lens to like yellow Like you said like and then like the sound like it was so detailed like I mean now that like even after you say that like I'm thinking back to it like it's actually so skillfully crafted like this It's honestly really really really impressive like like I said like I haven't seen Really any movie maybe I have that that like really You know kind of seems that similar to this so, you know, you know propsa Vera and the two girls were also really great actors because you know that that was impressive like, you know I've never really I don't even know if I've ever seen like a check film, but maybe I'm gonna watch more now

51. 11:37-13:43 Ivy Wolk

    I don't know if I have either but maybe I'm just not cognizant. I don't know I need to like I think it made me want to explore check cinema I mean, I feel like this is like a famous Place to start I was reading a lot of reviews on like letterbox after we got out of the movie And this is a pretty popular movie like don't know why I had like never gotten around to seeing it and I didn't expect it to be as wappy as it was because I know that very like sort of normal-ish people that I know really like this movie like people that I went to college with who I would consider for all intents and purposes to be pretty risk-a- it's interesting that it is actually pretty popular in his last in the culture for a long time never came across you know my desk but it's a really important movie to a lot of people a lot of especially women that I know who make movies or aspire to make movies or do photography really revere the images in this movie a lot and so I think like exploring its impact is also interesting when something like this when you watch something like this and it's experimental and there's not so much to deduce from the actual narrative of the thing it's like can be fun to sort of look at the surrounding conversation around it and see what cultural circumstances made the movie possible how people care about it and reference it these days so that's been something that I've been doing a little bit is trying to figure that out just like how do people connect with us I mean the movie has like 300,000 logs on letterbox yeah I saw that's

52. 13:43-13:58 James

    a lot I thought it was gonna be like after watching this movie I don't I didn't check like it on letterbox before and afterwards I was okay this can't have more than like 10,000 watches I was like you know this feels like 300

53. 13:58-14:01 Max Weidenfeld

    ,000 this this Like a movie that would be in

54. 14:01-14:04 James

    like Eugene's movie club. I was like, yeah,

55. 14:04-14:07 Ivy Wolk

    yeah, I was like, what is happening? Well, he's that big. He loves this one.

56. 14:07-14:10 Max Weidenfeld

    I talked to him about it. He loves it. Yeah, I see

57. 14:10-14:24 James

    all these movies that was like 1,000 watches and like, he's seen all of them. But I was like, I was like, what? This is 300,000. I mean, like, I did not think it was. I was like, I did not. That's so popular. Like, I didn't, it was kind of crazy.

58. 14:24-14:31 Max Weidenfeld

    300,000. I'm looking at stuff right now. Like, Gangs of New York only has like 700,000. Yeah,

59. 14:31-14:36 Ivy Wolk

    so almost as many people have seen Daisy's as they've seen Gangs of New York. Which

60. 14:36-14:47 James

    is crazy. I mean, crazy. At least on Letterbox. I mean, maybe Letterbox is like, people are more, I mean, I feel like this is a movie. Like, if you're, if you watch it, you're going to log it kind of because it's like. Yeah.

61. 14:47-14:51 Ivy Wolk

    Yeah. Signifier of some sort of taste or

62. 14:51-14:55 James

    steam. I mean, also it kind of brings up like the question, like, can

63. 14:55-14:58 Ivy Wolk

    like, yeah, can like

64. 14:58-15:05 James

    imagery, like, you know, really make a film, like, to me, because like, I, I feel like I actually really like this.

65. 15:05-15:12 Max Weidenfeld

    James, I have to say that you did lean over to me many times saying this is the longest movie I've ever seen in my life. Well,

66. 15:12-15:15 James

    it was the longest hour

67. 15:15-15:18 Max Weidenfeld

    and 14 minute movie ever. It was only an

68. 15:18-15:20 Ivy Wolk

    hour and 14 minutes. I

69. 15:20-15:24 Max Weidenfeld

    know it felt like two and a half hours. It was crazy. I walked

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    in, I walked in the movie. I was like, I'm so

71. 15:27-15:32 Max Weidenfeld

    ready. This is hour and 14 minutes. I'm so excited. And then it literally felt like

72. 15:32-15:35 Ivy Wolk

    the movie went on infinitely. It felt really long. Yeah. It

73. 15:35-15:38 James

    felt really long. But it's because they're holding on

74. 15:38-15:52 Ivy Wolk

    these, these girls doing this shit for like 10 minutes each scene. Like everything is, I mean, that last like montage where they're just like binge eating all the food at that banquet hall. That's 20 minutes to the movie. Yeah, that's what

75. 15:52-16:01 James

    I've done. Chewing. It's just chewing. It's, I mean, it's like, it did feel really long because also it's probably, it's like, there's not a. Whole lot going gone

76. 16:01-16:04 Max Weidenfeld

    like yeah, they probably 20 to 30 minutes

77. 16:04-16:09 James

    of the movie is them Eating with some rich guy and then leaving him on the train.

78. 16:09-16:12 Ivy Wolk

    Yeah, you know, like that You also

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    can't tell where you are like how far you've gotten

80. 16:15-16:18 Max Weidenfeld

    into the movie because there's no arc at all Anyway, so

81. 16:18-16:21 James

    that's like you could be plopped in anywhere and I wouldn't know what

82. 16:21-16:25 Max Weidenfeld

    like like act We are in because there are no acts. It's just

83. 16:25-16:34 James

    and then music video. It's like a really long Yeah, and the music is also like creating like a tense atmosphere like it's like thriller music. Yeah Yeah, the music

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    is very tense and then the action on

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    screen is so Ridiculous and

86. 16:39-17:37 Ivy Wolk

    funny. I mean I just like that whole scene where they're like on the phone with The guy that they're like sort of using for free dinner and he's talking about how much he loves her And what I loved is that the girls are sort of just like girl one and girl two They all go by fake names. And so you hear them being called by men Fake names like different names based on whatever man is like hollering at them And I thought that was funny because it's like they're just they're just being fake and they're just like I'm trying to get a free dinner I don't want no scrubs, which I thought was funny But this guy is like on the phone and he's like I love you so much like I'm so bad I need you and she and the other girl are just like eating like phallic shaped foods and like cutting them with like knives and Scissors until it evolves where they're like slicing eggs. And then she tries to cut the other girls toe off It's

87. 17:37-17:40 James

    a bit disgusting. This guy is still on the phone

88. 17:40-17:46 Ivy Wolk

    monologuing being like I love you. I need you I thought that was really funny. I thought it's had

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    the hand in because it's like, okay,

90. 17:48-18:00 Ivy Wolk

    obviously you're like This guy is being annoying and then at the same time on screen you're like taking scissors like seven different Penal peanuts shaped foods

91. 18:00-18:02 James

    I guess

92. 18:02-18:14 Ivy Wolk

    maybe in 1966 in the Czech Republic, that was not so overt, maybe, I don't know, maybe that wasn't so heavy-handed, maybe everybody was like, ooh, do you think

93. 18:14-18:22 Max Weidenfeld

    we know? I definitely feel, there was almost for me too much going on on screen,

94. 18:22-18:25 Ivy Wolk

    like, I remember when they did Blackface, like I was just

95. 18:25-18:28 Max Weidenfeld

    like, what is happening? I was like, why are we doing that? I

96. 18:28-18:36 Ivy Wolk

    think the Blackface moment is meant to be like, is there a, they're coming out of the train tunnel, because they've chased

97. 18:36-18:39 Max Weidenfeld

    the train down the tunnel. I thought of

98. 18:39-18:41 Ivy Wolk

    it as maybe like, exhaust. That's

99. 18:41-18:44 Max Weidenfeld

    what I thought too, but then in the next

100. 18:44-18:47 James

     scene, they're like violently eating watermelon.

101. 18:47-18:52 Max Weidenfeld

     So I was like, is there like a connection between these two things? I thought about that too.

102. 18:52-18:54 Ivy Wolk

     Yeah. But there's

103. 18:54-18:57 Max Weidenfeld

     too much, you know what I mean? But back then, like, was

104. 18:57-19:05 James

     it that big of a stereotype, like watermelon, and like for people, I know Blackface was around, but like when people- Yeah, that's what

105. 19:05-19:26 Ivy Wolk

     I'm wondering too, because I do wonder if that was maybe American stereotype that they would not have been privy to, like it might have truly just been a coincidence where it's just like a bad, one naughty looking image that they didn't mean to be naughty next to another naughty looking image that they didn't mean to be naughty in a whole film of purposefully naughty looking images,

106. 19:26-19:30 Max Weidenfeld

     like that's sort of funny and ironic. Yeah. That's the case.

107. 19:30-19:32 Ivy Wolk

     I see that. I definitely, I

108. 19:32-19:42 Max Weidenfeld

     hope it's an accident because it kind of makes me like the movie less if they're making a whole movie about like pushing through boundaries and pushing through stereotypes, but they put a stereotype into their movie. But

109. 19:42-19:45 Ivy Wolk

     I don't think that's like 1966.

110. 19:45-19:48 Max Weidenfeld

     It may have not- Only not. Processed seas. Yeah, I don't know.

111. 19:48-19:54 James

     I don't know if that was a stereotype in the Czech Republic. I feel like they had other problems back then.

112. 19:54-19:57 Max Weidenfeld

     Yeah. I feel like they weren't on that

113. 19:57-20:21 Ivy Wolk

     tip, but I mean, who knows? I am a deeply historically illiterate person and so I'm coming to this movie no understanding of the context I can Wikipedia some shit and read the first line but it's not permeating my brain whatsoever so I'm just talking about the movie as I season we're talking about the the picture as we season yeah

114. 20:21-20:24 Max Weidenfeld

     yeah yeah you guys like

115. 20:24-20:38 James

     like for you guys do you guys like can a movie with like really great imagery like can that be like a movie that you really like a lot because I feel like it's different for something like some people need like a story like you're a big

116. 20:38-20:42 Max Weidenfeld

     you're a big one car wife and a lot of his stuff is imagery yeah

117. 20:42-20:45 James

     what drives the movie so you like it do you like I

118. 20:45-20:48 Max Weidenfeld

     I really like I mean like for me it

119. 20:48-20:57 James

     imagery is like like for me like a film with like really good imagery like I don't know if you guys see in the movie 2046 it's this one car

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     one car wife film it's one of my

121. 20:59-21:25 James

     favorite movies ever and like I wouldn't say the plots it's not like that interesting but like it's like the imagery and music is so good kind of like like this film like you know it's like what's on screen it's like the imagery is like so powerful that it's like it's just as interesting as like a film with like a really good plot like for me like that's probably the most important thing in a film like if there's a good imagery I could really like it no matter what I

122. 21:25-22:15 Ivy Wolk

     think for me it depends there I think I tend to be in movies that really inspire me because I think I'm sort of a writer first person when I think of movies rather than like in movies that I want to make rather than images like I'm not I'm not such a visually motivated person so I tend to sort of canonize or like really care about movies with stronger commitments to not even just like linear story ever but like character and seems strong, like communicated seems. But there are movies that I love that are more visually leaning like there's this Lynn Ramsey movie called Morpher and Caller that I really like if you guys seen this movie.

123. 22:15-22:18 Max Weidenfeld

     This is a really special movie from I

124. 22:18-23:26 Ivy Wolk

     think the early 2000s to British movie. It's about a woman who's wakes up on Christmas morning and finds out that her boyfriend is committed suicide and she hacks into her computer and finds out that he had like written a manuscript for a novel that he was like gonna sell to a big publishing house and she goes in and she edits like by his name and puts her name in it and then she sells the book as him and then literally she sells the book that he wrote after he died and it's like I was the author the whole time and then just like takes the money and goes on like this horrible vacation with her friend but the movie is basically like that's like the most of a plot that there is in the film. It is mainly just use of music and images and lighting and like it's like a real tone piece. Another really great movie for sort of tone being conveyed through beautiful images is Claire Denny's Bo Trevi. Oh yeah

125. 23:26-23:28 Max Weidenfeld

     yeah yeah. That's a really interesting

126. 23:28-23:50 Ivy Wolk

     intense and thought-provoking movie but it's really just sort of like moving photography the entire time like there's not really much plot movement or story whatsoever it's sort of just what you have to extract from the beautiful pictures that you're seeing.

127. 23:50-23:53 James

     Yeah I'll add them to the watch list. Wait what's the name of the first one again?

128. 23:53-24:02 Ivy Wolk

     Morvern Caller. M-O-R-V-E-R-N-C.

129. 24:05-24:08 Ivy Wolk

     I

130. 24:08-25:01 Max Weidenfeld

     don't know. I think a lot of my favorite movies are definitely story driven. I also like big movies too. I'm a fan of big movies like blockbuster and stuff, flex and stuff like that, but I mean there are a few movies that I feel like the imagery can do it for me. But honestly, if I'm doing it, I think I have to go in for the full package. Like it will also be like a foreign movie or something. And I'll just sit down and I'll be like, okay, this is the type of movie I'm going to watch. And I don't know a lot of the movies. I went on a kick where I was watching all the movies that I got on like Instagram. And a lot of the movies that people recommend on Instagram are these like art house like films that are like influential like Salo and stuff like that. You watched

131. 25:01-25:05 Ivy Wolk

     Salo. I saw Salo at Braindead where we were

132. 25:05-25:08 James

     when I was like 17 with one of my best

133. 25:08-25:19 Ivy Wolk

     friends and we were drunk as a dam skunk and being loud as fuck in the theater like the two guys from the Muppets that like sit in the balcony and are

134. 25:19-25:22 Max Weidenfeld

     like, what the hell? And it was really fun.

135. 25:22-25:32 Ivy Wolk

     Salo is, what did you think of it? I think it is a fun movie. It's like a good time, especially with the crowd. It's like, it's, it's rowdy. It can get rowdy. Well,

136. 25:32-25:46 Max Weidenfeld

     I remember I was walking because I had no idea like what I was walking into and like the cover of it were just like all of these like naked people on the ground like in like like a bent over position like in like a praying position.

137. 25:46-25:48 Ivy Wolk

     And I was like, oh, what am I getting myself

138. 25:48-26:00 Max Weidenfeld

     into? And then I honestly, I don't know if I watched the right version because there were a bunch of people talking over the movie. Are there people talking over the movie usually?

139. 26:00-26:09 Ivy Wolk

     There's like some dialogue overlaid with the scenery, but like I haven't seen it in so many

140. 26:09-26:13 Max Weidenfeld

     years. I think I watched someone talking about the movie over the movie

141. 26:13-26:16 James

     because I have this app called

142. 26:16-26:21 Max Weidenfeld

     Plex that like gives me all the movies for free. So, and like sometimes yes.

143. 26:21-26:32 James

     But we were trying to watch, rewatch 21 Jump Street and then instead of 21 Jump Street, the first scene was a woman like committing suicide in like a super somber way.

144. 26:32-26:37 Max Weidenfeld

     It just totally messes up the movies. Yeah, that's not what we were going for. I mean, it's kind of funny

145. 26:37-26:49 James

     that you guys bring up Sol. Cause I'd never heard of it until I think yesterday when I saw a video, it was like Christoph Waltz in the Criterion Closet. And like that was his first pick.

146. 26:49-26:52 Ivy Wolk

     Right. When I was like, I was like, what

147. 26:52-26:54 James

     is this? It's based on

148. 26:54-27:16 Ivy Wolk

     a book by Marti Dassaud from like a bajillion gazillion years ago from before even Daisy's random ass time, long ass time ago. And it's basically a book about like rich people getting a bunch of kids in a house and making them eat dookies, have sex with one another.

149. 27:16-27:19 Max Weidenfeld

     Yeah. It's like one of the first acts rated movies, right?

150. 27:19-27:36 Ivy Wolk

     It gives like a, I'm honestly surprised that, but I guess cause conspiracy theorists aren't really like engaging with foreign film or like vintage art or anything. But honestly, I feel like I have not seen enough Epstein files and Salo comparisons in the past

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     month. I mean, it sounds pretty

152. 27:39-27:44 Ivy Wolk

     similar. They are pretty similar. It's sort of like, Salo is what

153. 27:44-27:47 Max Weidenfeld

     really crazy people think

154. 27:47-27:51 Ivy Wolk

     was happening on the Epstein Island. Which

155. 27:51-27:57 Max Weidenfeld

     maybe it was. Maybe it was, we won't know. I'm not looking through all of it. I'm not reading through all of it. Maybe it's from there.

156. 27:57-28:01 James

     I mean honestly, wait, is this from like, what? Like 60s? or 60

157. 28:01-28:04 Ivy Wolk

     or 70s I think yeah yeah I mean I

158. 28:04-28:11 James

     did that movie get banned because if Daisy's getting banned out I would be surprised if this didn't yeah

159. 28:11-28:25 Ivy Wolk

     I think so and it was yeah it was like X rated or something like that like yeah whereas Daisy's was like an unrated film I think yeah I don't know if it was X rated I don't know if the X rating existed at that juncture

160. 28:25-28:34 Max Weidenfeld

     oh it's R8 oh wait it's R18 plus or is that just mean all no because our 17 plus is this I

161. 28:34-28:45 Ivy Wolk

     guess I think in other countries because the MPAA is an American organization so I think in whatever in the country of origin of cello it's Italian it's not

162. 28:45-28:47 Max Weidenfeld

     right it's not rated it's not rated

163. 28:47-28:52 Ivy Wolk

     yeah cuz X was not around until after that but yeah

164. 28:52-28:54 Max Weidenfeld

     yeah it's like I'm

165. 28:54-28:57 Ivy Wolk

     sure that it was that it was banned yeah

166. 28:57-29:00 Max Weidenfeld

     literally it's literally a movie James people are

167. 29:00-29:03 Ivy Wolk

     eating eating full on dookie

168. 29:03-29:22 Max Weidenfeld

     it's it's it was banned it was banned in New Zealand for 21 years so from 1976 to 1997 it was a ban or 1998 wait wait 1997 it was banned so yeah yeah

169. 29:22-29:25 Ivy Wolk

     oh

170. 29:25-29:30 Max Weidenfeld

     I don't know anything about that so honestly

171. 29:30-29:44 James

     like I feel like it's honestly kind of crazy because like obviously here in America you could literally watch anything that you want but I mean you hear these stories like you know there's

172. 29:44-29:47 Max Weidenfeld

     like I mean like the catcher in the rise like still

173. 29:47-29:50 James

     banned in other countries like yeah

174. 29:50-29:53 Ivy Wolk

     like there's literally like like there's so much

175. 29:53-30:08 James

     stuff that like I feel like honestly like I don't know we may kind of take it for granted like you know other A lot of other countries they ban so much like you wouldn't be able to watch. I don't know the daisies might still be banned in the country I have no idea.

176. 30:08-30:44 Ivy Wolk

     Yeah. Yeah, I mean for sure although America is quite nasty and strict like there are I Guess more allowances other places are a lot more stringent about What can be consumed and they really hold grudges? I think like other places Like how you said New Zealand was banned Salo for that long like other places hold grudges Maybe in a way that we don't exactly, but I don't know sir. I'm gonna Google this actually I don't know if any movies are banned in the US Yeah,

177. 30:44-30:48 Max Weidenfeld

     well, you can just watch me. I mean, you could also just watch the internet's unrestricted.

178. 30:48-30:50 James

     Yeah Yes,

179. 30:50-30:53 Ivy Wolk

     yeah, James you should pitch you should pitch

180. 30:53-30:58 Max Weidenfeld

     the book that Salo is based on to our School library or ban

181. 30:58-31:00 James

     school library. Maybe we can get

182. 31:00-31:07 Ivy Wolk

     there have been plenty of films that were banned, but Not really anymore. I think flamingos was banned That

183. 31:07-31:10 Max Weidenfeld

     one's good. They show that in theaters now though.

184. 31:10-31:17 Ivy Wolk

     Yeah It was only banned in Okay, it was only banned in one county in Florida. So I think yeah, that makes sense with

185. 31:17-31:20 James

     the US. It's sort of regional Contingent.

186. 31:20-31:23 Ivy Wolk

     Yeah, Florida you hear a lot about schools banning

187. 31:23-31:28 James

     books and stuff. I mean it makes sense Cause they're way more, you know conservative there. Yeah,

188. 31:28-31:31 Ivy Wolk

     but it's a little bit different because like also, I mean you could

189. 31:31-31:37 James

     literally like You could like go on to internet archives and watch anything like

190. 31:37-31:40 Ivy Wolk

     yes, for example I remember Max and I were

191. 31:40-31:46 James

     watching like we were like, oh Max like oh watch kids today So then and like I had you guys

192. 31:46-31:49 Ivy Wolk

     like that. Oh, it's one. It's one of the best and

193. 31:49-31:52 Max Weidenfeld

     Probably a month ago, but actually yeah,

194. 31:52-32:06 James

     I liked it, but I yeah I didn't know I didn't know where to watch it. So somehow ended up on like the internet archives and they have everything so like There's there's a point where it's like there's you could like just see anything I think

195. 32:06-32:24 Max Weidenfeld

     I think that me and James had a little bit of a different experience with kids like I feel like a part of me like Obviously not the rape and the HIV stuff But I like a part of me thought was like oh these kids are actually pretty cool Like they're like like they're like the skateboard and they're like breaking

196. 32:24-32:47 James

     the whole the part of life about it was like You know like I like it like New York, you know, I don't go there like That often so it's like, you know, I like movies like in New York I felt like it was cool like, you know, just like kids in a day in New York But like also I'm not like The biggest like a fan of like I don't know like I feel like a bit of it was like shock value So like I don't really

197. 32:47-32:51 Ivy Wolk

     definitely I feel like I'm not like the biggest fan of

198. 32:51-33:12 James

     like shock value things and not because if you're I mean It is like a bit maybe low effort just like do it But I mean it was definitely I like the way it was shot and everything, but it just made me feel kind of like bad I like the like the environment of it, but I didn't like I'm not gonna We did watch it again. I I fell asleep. I

199. 33:12-33:15 Max Weidenfeld

     fell asleep during it. Yeah, but I mean I I

200. 33:15-33:20 James

     don't know if it's like It's not like a movie that I need to like keep coming back to like, I don't know

201. 33:20-33:24 Ivy Wolk

     Yeah, Larry Clark is a real he's a real shocker guy.

202. 33:24-33:29 Max Weidenfeld

     Yeah People say he's a pedophile people say it's

203. 33:29-34:09 Ivy Wolk

     It's like I mean I think above all else like he is like an appreciator and sexualizer of like the young male body and I and not like like as an underage, I guess but I put There's been a few of his movies actually that do follow underage people but even in his other movies that Don't he does seem to have like a He's he's horny. He's horny he's horny. At the end of the day, Larry Clark, he moves sort of hornily and it it is shocking to the sensibilities.

204. 34:09-34:11 James

     Like when you watch kids it is sort of like

205. 34:11-34:16 Ivy Wolk

     am I allowed to be even seeing this can I even have this on my computer? I said the same

206. 34:16-34:18 James

     exact thing. It's a similar movie that he

207. 34:18-35:16 Ivy Wolk

     also directed where it's like can I even have this on my fucking computer. The kids is a really that was a really formative movie. I watched kids when I was like your guys's age and it really reminded me of the people that I was friends with on like a lesser scale just because of how they sort of were really attracted to danger and risk and I felt very innocent at the time. And so I was sort of watching all of my friends, you know, traverse through sex and drug addiction and alcohol and smoking and skateboarding and all of these things. And I felt like that movie illuminated something that I was exactly going through or similarly to what I was going through. And so it was like a really formative piece for me. But that's also a movie that doesn't really have that much of a plot. It's sort of a

208. 35:16-35:18 James

     tone piece.

209. 35:18-35:23 Ivy Wolk

     It's sort of experiential. Like you kind of just follow these people throughout

210. 35:23-35:26 Max Weidenfeld

     space and time for a little while while things go

211. 35:26-35:29 Ivy Wolk

     wrong and they get rowdy and crazier. Yeah,

212. 35:29-35:33 Max Weidenfeld

     I mean, it has more of like a plot than like Daisy's like it's

213. 35:33-35:36 Ivy Wolk

     like it's like she's trying to find him

214. 35:36-35:41 Max Weidenfeld

     throughout because she has AIDS and she has to let people know that yeah.

215. 35:41-35:44 James

     I was wondering this

216. 35:44-35:55 Max Weidenfeld

     because you are like one of our first guardians who also grew up in Los Angeles and you're also probably the closest age to us and

217. 35:55-35:58 Ivy Wolk

     out of any of the guardians that we've

218. 35:58-36:08 Max Weidenfeld

     chosen. I'm back to LA and stayed for an extended period of time. Wait, where are you staying? I don't know, actually nevermind, it's fine. West Hollywood,

219. 36:08-36:10 Ivy Wolk

     let's talk about West Hollywood.

220. 36:10-36:18 Max Weidenfeld

     So, have you noticed any changes in Los Angeles since you've grown up in Los Angeles? Yeah,

221. 36:18-37:19 Ivy Wolk

     I was just talking about this with somebody last night where I was like, the people were driving, I was driving down Hollywood Boulevard and even that is like, strangely cleaner and less rowdy and nasty than it was when I was a child. Like my dad used to live in an apartment building like that was occupied by like hella squatters. It was like unconstructed, like the hallways were just cement and scaffolding and like plastic tarps and there was sawdust like falling down from the ceiling. And a lot of his neighbors were like homeless people that were like squatting. And it was like really a nasty, nasty living situation. And I'm sure that if I were to find the address to that building, it was like right by Hollywood Boulevard and I'm sure if I were to find the address to that building now, it would be exorbitantly expensive to live there and it would probably be a nice place or torn down and turned into something else. So

222. 37:19-37:22 Max Weidenfeld

     it's just things like that that I noticed where I'm like

223. 37:22-38:19 Ivy Wolk

     just sort of understanding of like what kind of demographics of people are like going out to certain parties in certain areas. Like who's getting dressed up to go to the club at a certain hour in a certain part of town and how that shifted from things I saw like looking out the window of my mom's car when I was a child. Yeah, I've definitely observed differences. One thing that I'll say that's really improved awesome style is the buses come a lot faster now. And when I was a kid, we didn't have a car for a while and we would wait. for a really long time for a bus to come. I think somebody told me that the city's putting in like good money to the buses. And so I'm happy about that. But another major bummer about LA that has changed since I was a kid here is that shit doesn't get filmed here anymore. That's

224. 38:19-38:21 James

     true. I'm watching an entourage.

225. 38:21-38:24 Max Weidenfeld

     I'm watching an entourage right now and that's the

226. 38:24-38:28 Ivy Wolk

     best. Fucking good. It's so good. Oh, good. It's like

227. 38:28-38:37 Max Weidenfeld

     all, I mean I guess Isle of LA is shot in LA but that's like not even, it doesn't count. It doesn't even feel like L. They don't have any L.A. things on production.

228. 38:37-38:49 James

     It's kind of very true. I mean, I literally, you know, my dad's an actor and he used to have everything filmed here and now he's going to Canada and Ireland for four

229. 38:49-38:52 Ivy Wolk

     months at a time.

230. 38:52-39:01 James

     And he used to back probably in 2011 he was on a TV show and like, you know, it was like all filmed at Paramount right

231. 39:01-39:31 Ivy Wolk

     there and now not really anymore. Yeah, it's crazy. I mean, I've been out here for the past few months for a job that was shooting here but that's like a complete and total rarity. Like I've mostly worked in Atlanta and in New York even on like indie stuff but Atlanta is like a big outpost for it. Toronto. People are moving overseas even farther. Like things are being shot in Budapest and Romania

232. 39:31-39:34 Max Weidenfeld

     and Ireland and

233. 39:34-41:10 Ivy Wolk

     it's strange. It's really strange because I don't know. It's just like so much of our cultural identity. This whole city is sort of built around being the hub for all of it and that is becoming increasingly expensive and difficult and nobody can maintain it. And so it's moving outward and that's sad because it's like, yeah, I mean, growing up here it's like everybody's parents are like my mom all of my parents friends were people that were like worked in this industry and now largely they like it's really hard like my friend's parent my best friend from childhood like her parents were like fully artists and another best friend of mine her parents were set decorators and all this stuff and so people that had these jobs they could sustain themselves in this city now you gotta people be moving moving further out and further out because you can't you can't live like that you know my one of my best friends her parents were commercial directors and they had to commercials like stopped really being filmed here and they had to leave the commercial world after like 20 years and now what her mom is studying to be a real estate agent her dad is becoming a therapist but right now they're like unemployed students at you know 50 something years old because the industry has slowed down here it's really crazy it's really crazy that's the biggest thing yeah

234. 41:10-41:20 James

     it doesn't even like it's kind of like feels counterintuitive that it's like Hollywood is like it's like Hollywood is like the film industry yeah

235. 41:20-41:23 Ivy Wolk

     I feel like most people who

236. 41:23-41:43 James

     would live like in other places like if you ask someone in like Florida like obviously they would still be like oh yeah Hollywood is where everything gets filmed but like if you're living here obviously like you realize it more and like also even like I've noticed that it's like they don't want obviously they don't want like film crews just like on the street yeah

237. 41:43-41:46 Ivy Wolk

     because like Max and I were like we were like filming

238. 41:46-41:52 James

     this thing at the grove and like you know like I didn't realize if you can't even like film at the grove like yeah

239. 41:52-41:56 Ivy Wolk

     they got angry at us there um they're strict they're getting very strict

240. 41:56-42:00 Max Weidenfeld

     I don't understand though everyone can everyone does the vlogs there yes

241. 42:00-42:03 James

     Like I don't understand what's the difference is what

242. 42:03-42:10 Max Weidenfeld

     uh, but oh, I'm trying to think like what even is shot in LA I know hacks is shot in LA That

243. 42:10-42:13 Ivy Wolk

     yeah, that's the only thing I can think of. Oh

244. 42:13-42:17 Max Weidenfeld

     The shards is gonna be shot in LA.

245. 42:17-42:20 Ivy Wolk

     That's that's what I'm shooting right now. You're shooting the

246. 42:20-42:23 Max Weidenfeld

     shards

247. 42:23-42:25 James

     Oh my god

248. 42:28-42:31 Max Weidenfeld

     I was just on

249. 42:31-42:35 Ivy Wolk

     for the past few months. Um, yeah that shot in its entirety

250. 42:35-42:38 Max Weidenfeld

     in LA We did like a few days like in like

251. 42:38-42:42 Ivy Wolk

     Pomona, but like yeah, I like LA pretty much. Is it Max

252. 42:42-42:44 Max Weidenfeld

     Winkler? I

253. 42:44-42:47 Ivy Wolk

     Think he directed one of the episodes, but I'm not in that one.

254. 42:47-42:52 Max Weidenfeld

     Okay. Yeah Well, that's the because that was like the big thing that was gonna be Ryan Murphy and max.

255. 42:52-42:55 Ivy Wolk

     Yeah, max Like producing it. Well max. Have you

256. 42:55-42:58 James

     have you read it yet? There's I'm reading it right now. It's

257. 42:58-43:01 Max Weidenfeld

     so good Yeah, I'm reading it. It's so good.

258. 43:01-43:04 James

     Yeah, I need to watch it. I

259. 43:04-43:16 Max Weidenfeld

     remember my I remember my friend was listening to it on an audio book to go to bed And then he started having gay dreams every night because it's so violent. It's like not violent. It's so gay It's crazy. It's

260. 43:16-43:20 Ivy Wolk

     completely and totally at every turn in that novel something homosexual is

261. 43:20-43:23 Max Weidenfeld

     happening I know but it's the best

262. 43:23-43:26 Ivy Wolk

     Have you read other bready-sinalis

263. 43:26-43:29 James

     I will read American Psycho and what and less

264. 43:29-43:32 Max Weidenfeld

     than zero we have a book Oh, yeah, I'm less than zero. Yeah,

265. 43:32-43:35 Ivy Wolk

     I love less than zero is my favorite Less

266. 43:35-43:37 James

     than zero really like

267. 43:37-43:40 Ivy Wolk

     that's that's an that's an LA It kind of feels like

268. 43:40-43:45 Max Weidenfeld

     your shards the shards is a love letter to LA and less than zero is like It's like I hate

269. 43:45-44:53 Ivy Wolk

     it. It's hate mail. Yeah Less than zero really influential to me just sort of like The angst communicated through that was like really And there were situations in it that sort of mirrored my upbringing here and I feel like I was always somebody that understood the kind of dark irony of growing up in Los Angeles in a way that I think my peers like didn't at that young of an age and then and I always felt sort of isolated in that because people wouldn't really understand what I was talking about. Now as adults I think people understand the type of things that I was trying to communicate about the kind of psychic torture of growing up here that I didn't have the words for but like I read British and LS and I was like oh my god like these books have been here all these decades before I was saying these things and this guy was saying the exact same things and expressing the exact same feelings and so yeah less than zero was a really really a really massive one for me. You guys should read my favorite book of his is The Rules of Attraction it's

270. 44:53-44:55 Max Weidenfeld

     like I read that right

271. 44:55-45:28 Ivy Wolk

     before I went to a liberal arts college on the east coast and I was like there's no way it's actually like this because the book was written in 1987 it's truly if you were to give the characters rules of attraction iPhones like it would be a completely up-to-date novel as to how people at these types of colleges move and interact with each other it's so brilliant it's so funny it's so affecting that's my favorite book of his I do think his best book is this one called Glamorama yeah

272. 45:28-45:31 Max Weidenfeld

     yeah really hard to it's it's it's really laborious

273. 45:31-45:50 Ivy Wolk

     and it takes a long time to read but that that's a new york book that's a new less uh lesson zero in American bedrooms is those are la books the shard is an la book informers is an la book but like rules of attraction is like new hampshire um well i thought rules of

274. 45:50-45:55 Max Weidenfeld

     attraction to bennington wait was it rules of attraction not bennington is that not rules

275. 45:55-45:58 Ivy Wolk

     rules of attraction was it's based on bennington

276. 45:58-46:02 Max Weidenfeld

     oh okay this the school but they use is like a non

277. 46:02-46:08 Ivy Wolk

     copyrighted fake school, Camden College in New Hampshire. So it's like, but it's supposed to be Bennington. Yeah, I

278. 46:08-46:12 Max Weidenfeld

     remember I started watching the movie and like- The movie's really,

279. 46:12-46:14 Ivy Wolk

     really, really fun. Yeah, I started watching

280. 46:14-46:21 Max Weidenfeld

     the movie and I was like, maybe I should start reading the book first but like people were kind of like angry at the movie from what I understand. Yeah,

281. 46:21-46:24 Ivy Wolk

     they're different. They're different. They were like a big

282. 46:24-46:34 Max Weidenfeld

     thing was like it had the like, like they had a football team at the school and like it was like, that's like not at all with like the book is like, I don't know. But I

283. 46:34-46:36 Ivy Wolk

     know that they didn't like that one.

284. 46:36-46:40 Max Weidenfeld

     I just watched a less than zero movie. I haven't seen that.

285. 46:40-46:42 Ivy Wolk

     That one's Robert

286. 46:42-46:46 Max Weidenfeld

     Donnie Jr. It's Robert Donnie Jr. And yeah, I

287. 46:46-46:48 James

     can't remember. I liked it a

288. 46:48-46:54 Max Weidenfeld

     lot. Brady Smellis hated it. He hated it because it's nothing. He's nothing like the book. It's

289. 46:54-46:56 James

     like it's basically it's like very

290. 46:56-47:00 Max Weidenfeld

     loosely based off of the book. Yeah.

291. 47:00-47:02 Ivy Wolk

     Have you guys read anything by

292. 47:02-47:05 James

     Hubert Selby Jr.? I

293. 47:05-47:08 Max Weidenfeld

     haven't. No, he did like Glass Texture to Brooklyn, right?

294. 47:08-47:11 James

     Yeah, and he did like a Requiem for a Dream. Right.

295. 47:11-47:14 Ivy Wolk

     And I feel like when I read him,

296. 47:14-47:22 James

     like it kind of reminds me of Brady Smellis. I mean, it's really just kind of like, you know, a bit like nihilistic, a lot of this stuff.

297. 47:22-47:25 Ivy Wolk

     Yeah. Yeah, but, you know, I feel like it's

298. 47:25-47:41 James

     kind of like, I read less than zero, just like 10 pages every day before I went to bed. And it was honestly like, it was kind of like crazy. Cause it was like, it was like one of the only books like, you know, I didn't like feel like, oh, I didn't feel like a work to get through that 10 pages and go to

299. 47:41-49:14 Ivy Wolk

     bed. Yeah. It's very, the prose is very sparse. And it's interesting because I mean, you read American Psycho. It's like, he doesn't always write in that voice. Like the very sort of like, I was walked here and then I was there. And then this is how I felt. And then short sentences. is very to the point. Lesson Zero is sort of distinct in that. Other books of his have shades of it, but American Psycho, I mean, is like chapters on Huey Lewis in the News and Whitney Houston. And it's like, it's really free wielding and like monologuing and soliloquizing and wild. And Glamorama is a book that is like a real stark opposite in terms of how the style in which it's written from Lesson Zero where it's like, it's really like repetitive and it's very, it's name dropping in the way that he classically is. But it's like really repetitive and really laborious and patience demanding. But it's like, and it's long, it's really dense. But the emotional arcs and heights that that book ramps you up to are like really, really profound. I've read that book twice. It's it's thoroughly brilliant. It takes a long time to read because it is so repetitive. But I do recommend Glamorama. The rules of attraction you should start with because it's a lot easier to read. And it's like a funny hangout novel. And it's that's my favorite book of all time. That's my favorite book of all time. My favorite, I

300. 49:14-49:20 Max Weidenfeld

     think my favorite one of his American Psycho. It's also my favorite movie of all time. So it's

301. 49:20-49:23 Ivy Wolk

     such a good movie. Yeah, it's so good.

302. 49:23-49:28 Max Weidenfeld

     Yeah, but I think I think that might be my favorite. I still have to read rules of attraction, though I have it after

303. 49:28-49:31 James

     I bought it. So I'm ready to read it. But I'm

304. 49:31-49:34 Max Weidenfeld

     really good. Really good. I really do recommend it. And it's pretty

305. 49:34-49:40 Ivy Wolk

     easy. I've read it like the second time I read it, I think I read it in like an afternoon, like it's

306. 49:40-49:43 Max Weidenfeld

     not long and it's really easy to understand.

307. 49:43-50:27 Ivy Wolk

     And it's and it's really funny the entire time. It's really funny. And it's yeah, it's it speaks to like, I think like what you were saying about the movie having like a football team in it and stuff is like it the book speaks to a really niche experience of like being a liberal arts college student on the east coast and I feel like for like the general movie going populist I guess at the time they didn't think that most people would understand what that feels like maybe and so they sort of zoomed out and generalized the experience a little bit but the book is like really like, I mean these mofos was taking poetry classes and shit. Like they

308. 50:27-50:30 Max Weidenfeld

     were like, oh like

309. 50:30-51:33 Ivy Wolk

     I'm so annoyed because this week like I declared my major was like ceramic sculpting but I don't know if that's my dream. I think my dream is like modern dance type shit. Like it's just like pretentious art types like really struggling socially and interpersonally and romantically with one another but it's so funny. It's so, so funny. And there are passages in rules of attraction that genuinely like change my entire life and like how I view myself and view the world. Like it had like a really, I read it at the perfect time and it had a deeply profound effect on me and I think the earlier you guys read good shit like that's the better. I didn't read it until I was like 16 or 17 and I think that I could have understood so much more about myself and had the language to describe my own feelings about my peers and my environment if I had read something like less than zero at an earlier age.

310. 51:33-51:36 James

     So it's good that you guys are hitting the

311. 51:36-51:39 Ivy Wolk

     books. We're hitting the books. It's a little

312. 51:39-51:43 Max Weidenfeld

     hard honestly. I don't know if I'm a huge reader. I'm not

313. 51:43-51:52 James

     the best reader but if you find a good one, it's a nice thing to do even though I just wanna scroll but

314. 51:52-52:06 Ivy Wolk

     yeah. I just wanna scroll too but here's the thing is like kind of buying and reading books is the ultimate scroll because as literature has been around for literally fucking ever. There are

315. 52:06-52:08 James

     so many books. There's way more

316. 52:08-52:30 Ivy Wolk

     books than there are movies, than there are photographs and there are recorded songs available on Spotify or Apple Music. Books are like so infinite and it's so old. And so exploring literature can feel like the ultimate scroll because you can just keep going back and back

317. 52:30-52:33 James

     and back and back into time. And there

318. 52:33-52:38 Ivy Wolk

     are endless books and endless novels to reference and to have in your arsenal. Yeah,

319. 52:38-52:49 James

     I mean, I feel like, obviously this is kind of like a bad thing, but like it's really something I like doing that actually feels as good as like, I love buying books and then I never read them. I feel like

320. 52:49-52:52 Ivy Wolk

     that's the same with everyone. It's like I wanna go

321. 52:52-53:02 James

     whenever I'm at like Barnes & Noble with my dad, I'm like, you know, I kinda need a new book. And I know like perfectly that I have like six books next to my bed that I need to read. But I just

322. 53:02-53:04 Ivy Wolk

     like to get the book and like seem

323. 53:04-53:07 James

     smart buying like some old novels. I just

324. 53:07-53:10 Max Weidenfeld

     never read it. Of course, I love it. I love

325. 53:10-53:25 Ivy Wolk

     it. I live for it. It's why we live. It's why we have any money. It's why we have money to do stupid shit like that to buy a stack of books that will just sit on the end table in perpetuity. But it's perfect. It's amazing because it's scrolling. It's just scrolling. True.

326. 53:25-53:36 Max Weidenfeld

     Yeah. I think we gotta replace. I mean, there's so many apps that already do it, but like they're replacing the reading or the scrolling and reading. It's the attention span thing. I'll push up

327. 53:36-53:39 James

     this thing. I mean, I found reading

328. 53:39-53:47 Ivy Wolk

     on my phone like an ebook on my phone scratches the scrolling itch because I'm on my phone, but I'm reading.

329. 53:47-53:49 James

     True. I have to read articles.

330. 53:49-54:03 Max Weidenfeld

     I remember I read, I remember like the first article that like I, actually I don't even read that many articles. I think the only ret article like that I actually have ever fully read through and like, finished was like the Harper's magazine gooning

331. 54:03-54:06 Ivy Wolk

     article because so many people were like this article

332. 54:06-54:10 Max Weidenfeld

     is great and it took me so long to get through it too. I can

333. 54:10-54:24 Ivy Wolk

     send you some interesting stuff. It's a long one. I'm going to send you some interesting stuff. Sometimes like the New Yorker like New York magazine will do interesting weird kind of true crime adjacent things. I can compile you some things.

334. 54:24-54:29 Max Weidenfeld

     Yes, please. I want to get more into reading. I bought a brick for my phone.

335. 54:29-54:32 James

     How's that been? Oh, honestly, I

336. 54:32-54:37 Max Weidenfeld

     love it. I on it's it's so well, I'm like, I got this is some crazy

337. 54:37-54:39 James

     cap. No, it's not. I have

338. 54:39-54:42 Max Weidenfeld

     a brick. You know, I have it at my house. I mean, yeah,

339. 54:42-54:45 Ivy Wolk

     you never whatever I see his

340. 54:45-54:48 James

     phone, the brick, he's always unbricked. OK, hold on, hold

341. 54:48-54:58 Max Weidenfeld

     on, hold on. I bet if I show my thing, I'm bricked right now. But honestly, it's gotten to a point where I can't even tell. Yeah, brick for one day in 17 hours. How about that?

342. 54:58-55:01 Ivy Wolk

     Jane, you were on your phone all day

343. 55:01-55:03 James

     yesterday. I don't

344. 55:03-55:07 Max Weidenfeld

     know. No, I don't know. I don't know. But I don't work.

345. 55:07-55:10 Ivy Wolk

     It's like a physical. It's a physical device. Yes. So you

346. 55:10-55:20 Max Weidenfeld

     put it up on your fridge and basically like I have a thing that automatically bricks it at 10 p.m. So I'm I'm bricked up at 10, I'm bricked up at 10 p.m. And then I

347. 55:20-55:23 Ivy Wolk

     and then I

348. 55:23-55:32 Max Weidenfeld

     go to school and I can't do anything about it because I have to go to the physical device and press the thing with my phone to get it undone. So right.

349. 55:32-55:34 Ivy Wolk

     And there's only five emergency unbricks

350. 55:34-55:37 Max Weidenfeld

     that I've used all of them. So I can't use it anymore.

351. 55:37-55:40 Ivy Wolk

     Right. Right. So yeah. Yeah. But it's

352. 55:40-55:43 Max Weidenfeld

     good. He has a screen time. Call home on the

353. 55:43-55:46 Ivy Wolk

     nurse's phone. I know. Exactly. I was free.

354. 55:46-55:48 James

     I did get it.

355. 55:48-55:51 Max Weidenfeld

     I did get a screen time app. But like I

356. 55:51-55:59 James

     to get like the version where like you can't take a break and like you're like you can't access your apps. You have to like pay for it. So it's like

357. 55:59-56:02 Ivy Wolk

     I can just. take a breaks, but then like now

358. 56:02-56:17 James

     it's actually gotten to a point where it's like normally I would only have to wait six seconds to take a break, but then I think it broke. So now I have to wait like three minutes every time before I take a break. So I have to open up and wait three minutes. So now like it's just like it's so annoying that like I just I don't do it anymore.

359. 56:17-56:51 Ivy Wolk

     It's a waste of your time. Yeah, I used to have screen time monitors when I was in high school, my mom put screen time monitors on my phone and computer and I couldn't stand it. It was terrible. It was disgusting to me. It was it was horrible. I love scrolling, but I'm like optimistic about scrolling. Like I it's admirable that you guys are working to not scroll, but me personally, I'm gonna be over here and I'm gonna be happy and smiling to scroll me personally, me personally, but also I'm an adult. Unfortunately, you know

360. 56:51-56:53 Max Weidenfeld

     what I mean? It's like I don't have to

361. 56:53-57:06 Ivy Wolk

     I'm not I do my little work like I do my little job, but like also I don't have to like sit in algebra and not scroll reels full blast volume the

362. 57:06-57:09 James

     entire 90 minutes, you know, I'm

363. 57:09-57:11 Max Weidenfeld

     free. I'm free. My

364. 57:11-57:21 Ivy Wolk

     shackles are my shackles are gone. I don't I can I don't have to be in algebra anymore, which I took. I took algebra one four times in a row.

365. 57:21-57:24 Max Weidenfeld

     Really? Wow. Yeah, that's awesome. Wait,

366. 57:24-57:28 Ivy Wolk

     so through until you finish until

367. 57:28-57:31 James

     you finished, basically, I did it. I did

368. 57:31-57:36 Ivy Wolk

     it eighth grade summer school ninth grade summer school. I

369. 57:36-57:39 Max Weidenfeld

     see it like four four times in a row.

370. 57:39-57:42 Ivy Wolk

     It's hard. It is very hard. It is.

371. 57:42-57:45 Max Weidenfeld

     I

372. 57:45-57:48 Ivy Wolk

     take trade. I

373. 57:48-57:52 Max Weidenfeld

     take French and Spanish. Yeah, I know. Look at us.

374. 57:52-57:55 Ivy Wolk

     I

375. 57:55-58:19 Max Weidenfeld

     don't know like I would like to know like what appears. on your algorithm versus what appears on our algorithm? Like what is your, like what do you get like a lot? Cause I feel, I don't know how different our things are. Like sometimes I see the little likes from you on the bottom of the Instagram thing, but I don't know how similar all of our feeds are. So what is yours like?

376. 58:19-59:03 Ivy Wolk

     Primarily it is right now, it's a lot of evangelical Christians cause I really find them to be just so funny and stupid. It's like conspiracy theorists who I, who might also find to be completely ridiculous. Right now they're purporting that Selena Gomez and Justin Bieber had a baby when they were a couple and then they sacrificed, instead of sacrificing that baby to the pedophile Jeffrey Epstein cannibalistic cabal, they sacrificed Selena instead. And so now Selena is a robot in a Selena skin suit and she has been cloned and turned into a robot. And the Selena that we once knew and loved is dead. So that's, that's,

377. 59:03-59:06 Max Weidenfeld

     I mean people actually believe that. It's kind of crazy.

378. 59:06-59:09 James

     I saw seven videos in a row with that theory and

379. 59:09-59:11 Ivy Wolk

     I was like, you guys have to be kidding me.

380. 59:11-59:14 Max Weidenfeld

     I agree with you though. I find, I saw this

381. 59:14-59:33 James

     video where it's like, it's like, it was like this couple and it was like, they were like married and it was like working out out of marriage problems. And it was like that we sleep in separate beds because like I, and it was like, I feel, I was like, I feel uncomfortable and like they're engaged and it's like, I feel uncomfortable when I'm close to you.

382. 59:33-59:55 Ivy Wolk

     Yes, I get a lot. It was a healthy thing to do. Yeah, I get a lot of videos like that where it's like Christian couples on podcasts who are like engaged to be married. They're like 20 years old and they're like, so Kyler, like go ahead and tell everybody like why we are waiting to kiss until we are married for six months. And it's like this guy's like,

383. 59:55-59:58 James

     yeah, I just think it's like, I just

384. 59:58-01:00:05 Ivy Wolk

     think it's like opening up shop to see. Didn't stop to like be kissing and like even be in the same room like Every

385. 01:00:05-01:00:07 James

     time we hang out your mom

386. 01:00:07-01:00:19 Ivy Wolk

     is always there so that she can monitor the situation and make sure that we don't do anything Funny or anything fucked up until we get married. It's like yeah, I get so many videos like that I get a lot of schizophrenic people. I get a lot of going

387. 01:00:19-01:00:21 Max Weidenfeld

     through

388. 01:00:21-01:00:26 Ivy Wolk

     Mental terrors the likes of which I will never experience but damn is that fun to watch?

389. 01:00:26-01:00:29 Max Weidenfeld

     The narratives that they could come up with so

390. 01:00:29-01:00:35 Ivy Wolk

     creative I get a lot of like kids vlogging like we are little kids Yeah,

391. 01:00:35-01:00:38 Max Weidenfeld

     that's why I get I always get this kid. I got this kid who I

392. 01:00:38-01:00:57 James

     mean I found this kid and he was like This is like for you and then it was like dancing to like a little he was like getting sturdy to like a little peep song I mean, I thought I get I see videos like that. It's just like so funny and like I get a lot of Kid of like white 10 year old rapping. Yes.

393. 01:00:57-01:01:17 Ivy Wolk

     Yeah I got recently like a slew of videos from like a white like long floppy hair Like nine or ten year old boy who is just getting into nirvana Like at this young of an age and all of his videos are him crying being like

394. 01:01:20-01:01:23 Ivy Wolk

     Like 40 years

395. 01:01:25-01:01:34 Ivy Wolk

     Yeah These people

396. 01:01:34-01:01:48 James

     are going viral like it's honestly like if you're like a kid And you just want to admit and you can you can go on Instagram and just start rapping and you could get a million followers

397. 01:01:48-01:01:51 Ivy Wolk

     So I saw this kid. He has

398. 01:01:51-01:01:56 James

     he has one video And it was like inventing my own sound and he was like

399. 01:01:56-01:01:59 Max Weidenfeld

     Like you hate you're gonna

400. 01:01:59-01:02:02 James

     hate but I'm ten years hold and meant my own sound. That's

401. 01:02:02-01:02:05 Max Weidenfeld

     funny. It was like a Mozart piece and then

402. 01:02:05-01:02:08 James

     him speaking with autotune. That's funny.

403. 01:02:08-01:02:11 Max Weidenfeld

     He has one video and he has 150,000 followers.

404. 01:02:11-01:02:13 James

     A lot of these kids, they

405. 01:02:13-01:02:17 Max Weidenfeld

     all want to be like the MD Foodie Boys, like podcast.

406. 01:02:17-01:02:25 James

     I know, Russian guy. That's what I find sad. Yeah, and there's this like Russian guy who's like has the creepiest face ever and he's like playing these songs.

407. 01:02:25-01:02:29 Max Weidenfeld

     Oh, I've seen that guy, the kid? Yeah, I've seen that guy, too. He's playing these songs

408. 01:02:29-01:02:45 James

     in Russian and he has like a million followers now. And his videos are just like horrible quality. Him playing the guitar, like that that just doesn't, I feel like that wouldn't happen. Like celebrities get a million followers, not people just posting random videos. It's kind of crazy. But now

409. 01:02:45-01:02:48 Ivy Wolk

     it can happen to anybody. It could happen to us. It

410. 01:02:48-01:02:51 Max Weidenfeld

     could happen to us. Podcasted goes so mega viral. It

411. 01:02:51-01:02:54 Ivy Wolk

     means saying, oh. Mega

412. 01:02:54-01:02:57 Max Weidenfeld

     viral is... I mean, there's always a chance

413. 01:02:57-01:03:05 James

     If we just started if we just turn this podcast into some where we just started like saying super horrible things Then it would go viral Yeah, if we

414. 01:03:05-01:03:43 Ivy Wolk

     became a ton if we started saying that Selena Gomez was killed by the pedophile Yeah, and her baby was sacrificed and she was cloned and now she's a robot in a human skin suit We would we could skyrocket to the moon all those videos Yeah, I saw like I saw literally six in a row the other night of that exact conspiracy theory all like 50,000 likes or more each people are in a high demand for absolutely bonkers Just reading comprehension on the floor bullshit So if you guys ever want to make some extra scratch, you know to get yourselves through college Yeah

415. 01:03:43-01:03:46 James

     become internet grifters. You're already internet. You already

416. 01:03:46-01:03:55 Ivy Wolk

     know how to use the internet Yeah, I know the truth of the train just become absolute hacks and um monsters and grifters And I mean you guys

417. 01:03:55-01:03:57 James

     will be able to pay for four years of at night

418. 01:03:57-01:04:00 Ivy Wolk

     from school. Yeah, I mean it's crazy because half all these people

419. 01:04:00-01:04:14 James

     like that have podcasts, like any podcast that people are clipping and posting on Instagram for the most part, like they're not even real. It's like they bring, there's like eight year old kid who can't even have the depending on the firm's self at this point.

420. 01:04:14-01:04:16 Ivy Wolk

     I know you're

421. 01:04:16-01:04:19 Max Weidenfeld

     reacting to that clip. And he's like, so this is what happens when

422. 01:04:19-01:04:22 James

     the left sways everything. My GSD nation.

423. 01:04:22-01:04:26 Max Weidenfeld

     My GSD nation is that it's so funny. You buy GSD

424. 01:04:26-01:04:29 Ivy Wolk

     nation? They're so funny. It's two conservative

425. 01:04:29-01:04:48 Max Weidenfeld

     kids. And I saw this clip of them that was basically like, they were like reacting to the Epstein files. And they were like, I just, I can't believe it. And they're like all on the verge of tears. And there was like, it's just a way that my president would ever do something like this. And everyone's

426. 01:04:48-01:04:55 James

     explaining it. They said that then they were like, you know, the Epstein is probably Kamala Harris. Oh yeah.

427. 01:04:55-01:04:57 Max Weidenfeld

     And they said this like unironically,

428. 01:04:57-01:05:00 James

     like they had these clip farming.

429. 01:05:00-01:05:03 Max Weidenfeld

     They're so young like, I don't see how

430. 01:05:03-01:05:08 James

     like, I mean, there's no way an eight year old could have real cemented political beliefs.

431. 01:05:08-01:05:13 Ivy Wolk

     I feel like they're definitely being led astray by an older sibling or somebody that wants to make money. Yeah.

432. 01:05:13-01:05:19 Max Weidenfeld

     I get a lot, I get a lot of like MAGA people on my feed. Like I remember I used

433. 01:05:19-01:05:21 James

     to get, do you know this guy? He like, he would always

434. 01:05:21-01:05:35 Max Weidenfeld

     like, he was like, he went viral for like a little while. He was like, he would like cut food. And he would be like, yeah. So a woman's not allowed to be president, but she's not allowed to be in my kitchen. And then he's like, yeah, okay, got it. Yeah. You guys know what I'm talking about?

435. 01:05:35-01:05:38 Ivy Wolk

     Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just like bullshit clip farming, like doing

436. 01:05:38-01:05:41 James

     different algorithmic attention.

437. 01:05:41-01:05:55 Ivy Wolk

     Cause like videos where people are like eating something or cutting something or putting things in a blender or whatever. Those videos weirdly like hit the algorithm. And so if you're like, I believe that you shouldn't vote, but you're like putting vegetables in a blender

438. 01:05:55-01:05:57 Max Weidenfeld

     and like making a smoothie, the algorithm

439. 01:05:57-01:06:00 Ivy Wolk

     will make it go platinum. It's crazy. Yeah.

440. 01:06:00-01:06:03 James

     This is insane. I think I'm gonna I'm gonna say something and then I'm

441. 01:06:03-01:06:12 Max Weidenfeld

     gonna clip it on our Instagram page And we're gonna say we'll see if we do it. So let's see I'll save the conspiracy theory about Selena Gomez. So I'm gonna

442. 01:06:12-01:06:14 James

     clip this all right all right Three

443. 01:06:14-01:06:34 Max Weidenfeld

     and then I'll react like you guys know what I'm talking about you believe it all right three two one So you guys heard about this like conspiracy theory like I it's one of the it's one of the ones that I actually believe it's basically like that Justin Bieber and Selena Gomez Had a baby when they were dating right so you guys are getting this so far. Yeah. Yeah.

444. 01:06:34-01:06:36 James

     Yeah. Yeah, so basically

445. 01:06:36-01:06:48 Max Weidenfeld

     what happened was that They when they had the baby they were supposed to give it as like a sacrificial kind of Sacrifice to Epstein, but what they did yeah, yeah,

446. 01:06:48-01:06:50 James

     they didn't want to give away the baby So they

447. 01:06:50-01:06:53 Max Weidenfeld

     gave away Selena Gomez to Epstein and now

448. 01:06:53-01:06:56 Ivy Wolk

     it's insane. I know and no I've heard this It's yeah,

449. 01:06:56-01:06:59 James

     it's actually real yeah Yeah, Epstein killed Selena

450. 01:06:59-01:07:07 Max Weidenfeld

     Gomez off and sent back a clone of Selena Gomez So we have now a Selena Gomez on earth that is not the Selena Gomez Yeah,

451. 01:07:07-01:07:10 James

     I've heard of this. It's actually crazy. I believe

452. 01:07:10-01:07:13 Ivy Wolk

     this actually she does look different

453. 01:07:13-01:07:16 Max Weidenfeld

     Doesn't I've noticed you I've noticed something kind

454. 01:07:16-01:07:23 James

     of off. I mean it's kind of crazy like you know This is actually one of the crazier things. I've seen yeah, but

455. 01:07:23-01:07:26 Max Weidenfeld

     it's true One of the truest things I've seen recently

456. 01:07:26-01:07:29 James

     Yeah, I'm gonna

457. 01:07:29-01:07:32 Max Weidenfeld

     go so far the most true thing I've ever seen objective

458. 01:07:32-01:07:35 James

     truth. Yeah exactly all right guys We're going

459. 01:07:35-01:07:40 Max Weidenfeld

     viral. I think the Guardian pods about that's a pop-up. Yeah, let's get around first a viral

460. 01:07:40-01:07:42 James

     clip of the Guardian pod Yeah, there

461. 01:07:42-01:07:46 Max Weidenfeld

     we go. Yeah, we did it. We finally did it. Yeah,

462. 01:07:46-01:07:48 James

     actually going viral All right, I would

463. 01:07:48-01:07:51 Max Weidenfeld

     expect expect your followers to just

464. 01:07:51-01:07:54 James

     yeah full on up on the

465. 01:07:54-01:07:57 Max Weidenfeld

     chart. Yeah It's

466. 01:07:57-01:08:09 James

     going crazy Just to end this off, I just wanted to ask, do you have any advice for the young filmmakers, writers, aspiring comedians out there? Yes.

467. 01:08:09-01:08:14 Ivy Wolk

     I think stick to your voice and your vision no matter

468. 01:08:14-01:08:17 James

     what. I think the best things are things

469. 01:08:17-01:09:24 Ivy Wolk

     that really excoriate the human spirit and how you see the world. Don't be afraid to talk about the current moment. Don't be afraid to show the culture that you grew up in through your lens. It is unique. It is special and it is identifiable. And your voice is always king at the end of the day and people of our generation, my generation and your guys' generation, the generation just below mine, people will try to squeeze us out so that old people can retain power for as long as possible. But if they squeeze us out of mainstream industry, we can revitalize a counterculture and we can be the ones that are with it and have our fucking no-dimensioned brains enough to be fucking punk and cool and make things that feel emotionally and intellectually resonant to us. And we can always do it. We can always do it, even though there are less opportunities and easy ways in than ever, there will always be a way. There will always be a way. Thank you so

470. 01:09:24-01:09:28 Max Weidenfeld

     much, Ivy. Thank you so much. And thank you so much for being our guardian. Yeah, thank

471. 01:09:28-01:09:31 James

     you. Thanks for having me, this was fun. We had a great time and

472. 01:09:31-01:09:35 Max Weidenfeld

     thank you all for listening. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you, Ivy.