Episode
The Guardian - Paul Scheer
Referenced:
- The Drama
- LA Material
- AMC Glendale
- Americana
- Arclight
- Kristoffer Borgli
- Dream Scenario
- Force Majeure
- Dumb and Dumber
- Robert Pattinson
- Zendaya
- Alana Haim
- A24
- Nirvanna the Band the Show
- Matt Johnson
- The Dirties
- Elephant
- Elliot Rodger
- PewDiePie
- Borat
- Team America: World Police
- Blazing Saddles
- Licorice Pizza
- Eddington
- Four Lions
- Homeland
- The Birth of a Nation
- Bill Burr
- South Park
- How Did This Get Made?
- Animal House
- Psycho
- The Sixth Sense
- Blockbuster
- LaserDisc
- One Crazy Summer
- Ferris Bueller's Day Off
- Terminator 2
- The Last Boy Scout
- Lethal Weapon
- Reservoir Dogs
- Welcome to the Dollhouse
- Human Giant
- Jeanne Dielman
- Phil Lord and Chris Miller
- TheaterEars
- Project Hail Mary
- Twisters
- Elio
- The Goonies
- Star Trek
- Jackass Number Two
- Moana
- Ghostbusters
- Kiki's Delivery Service
Transcript
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We just got
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back from seeing the drama and we got Paul Shear on the zoom call here. How's it going Paul? I'm
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good. I mean I got thoughts but I also want to know, I want to know if you guys know that we got papped at the AMC Glendale. There was a discord like a bunch of it's this new website called LA material which focuses on like all these LA issues is very cool website has a celebrity section in it and it listed it said saw Paul Shear at the AMC Glendale with his kids taking a picture in front of the drama poster. Really?
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Oh my god. I will send
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you, I will send you the thing. Please. I actually think the person who took the picture is the person who wrote the article
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or me a little bit. That's crazy. We got to get that. I guess for your
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kids now. I guess. Yeah. That's it. You guys are my kids.
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And I also just love the idea that like on a Thursday afternoon I was like, I'm going to take my kids to see the drama like let's go. Yeah.
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I mean
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that's crazy. We've gotten that misconception before but we've never gotten talked about
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on a forum. Yeah. I mean that's it. You guys are now on a
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discord forum. You're locked in. I know.
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But
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it is. It's like I imagine. I mean it's the best case scenario right. If I am seen with the two of you that they assume that you are my kids I would imagine.
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Yeah. Yeah. It gets slippery after
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that to a certain degree. I know. Yeah. It gets weird.
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Definitely there's been people like who bump into their friends there. Right. And they're like, oh I didn't know you guys. kids and they're like, oh, I'm just taking those two.
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Yeah, it's all it's always at the Americana
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AMC. That's always where people run into people for some.
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Yeah, I mean, it's become the new arc light. I mean, the arc light used to
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never be able to go there without bumping into people in the lobby. And now AMC Glendale is the way to go. I will say I was I was surprised, you know, obviously based on the title of the podcast that at no point, no one questioned, should you be seeing this R rated movie? I thought at a certain point, I'd have to be like, yeah,
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they're with me. I mean, I think that I mean, honestly, I mean, I've had like some weird experiences where it's like sometimes like they're just completely fine with like a kid walking. You could like, they'll just let me go into radar movies. But then sometimes they're like, you need to show an ID. Like are you maybe over 18 or something like that? I think it depends on the employee maybe, but we've never had trouble getting in like with our garden. Maybe they
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think that, I don't know, but we've
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never had trouble. I mean, I'm like,
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look, I don't know how I feel about that because I feel like that's the number. I mean, to me, when I was a kid, that was the big obstacle. You couldn't get in unless
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you had the Guardian and these people
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didn't seem to care. I feel like they probably are more aware if it's like a really sexual movie, like this
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kind of was that it Yeah,
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I was
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questioning. I was like, I was like, okay. And I kind of, you know, went
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like this to my eyes because I, you know, I don't know
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if I should be seeing this. It is the real, the real question. I think, all right, what did we got? What did we all think of the drama? Let's just get our opinions out there. What did we think about it? You guys want to go
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first? Do you want me? I mean, I'll jump.
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Yeah. Why don't you go first? Oh, me? Okay.
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Yeah, you know what? I've had, I've had, I have mixed feelings about this movie because, you know, I think a big thing with Borgley. Is that his name? Is it?
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Borgley is that he has
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these crazy ideas that are like, they're very like, you know, smart and technical like dream scenario. But sometimes I don't always feel like he lands the plane on them, which is, which is unfortunate. He does a lot of, he does a lot. But on this one, I felt, you know, there were some parts that I felt like a little bit of a poor execution on. But it's definitely interesting movie. I think I don't know if I would have liked it. I may have liked it less if I knew the spoiler that was coming up. Also, we're going to talk about the spoiler because it's the entire movie. So if you haven't seen it, I don't know, maybe listen on mute or something. But
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yeah, I
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have, I liked it. I liked the idea of it. But there were some parts that I, you know, felt like were a little bit poorly executed. What about you guys? Yeah. You
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want to go, Paul? Yeah. I mean, I
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feel the same way. This is a movie that stuck with me. And I think I've actually gotten more angry about it as I've
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sat with it, because you're right. I don't think
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that he has the ability to interrogate his ideas as much as it's like, ooh, that's an interesting thing. I think people are going to come out like, isn't that an interesting thought experiment? Like, what would you say if someone that you knew thought that they were kind of, I'll do the spoiler. We're going to plan a mass shooting. And I think the answer to that is like, I wouldn't be that big of a deal. I think that like he kind of waited the wrong thing because a rational person, that's the issue that I have is like, I love force majeure. And I was thinking about this movie in comparison to force majeure, which is like, if you don't know, that's a movie where an avalanche happens to a family on a ski trip and the husband flunking panics and leaves his wife
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and kids for dead. Now they
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all survive and they have to deal with the fallout of the husband like literally leaving his family to die. And it's such a great thing because it's real stakes and it's really funny. And I think that this movie just didn't have the stakes or even a voice of reason. And I was writing about this on Letterbox and was like, well, a voice of reason tells you what to think. I'm like, I don't think so because like dumb and dumber everyone in that movie is in the real world we understand what the world is and then those characters are funny because they are not real characters in this real world. And then they are also funny just cause they're insane. And I feel like this movie by not having anyone that has a sane opinion, I think it just hurts the overall theory of it. Cause it's like, you can have a sane
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opinion and then Robert Pattinson can still
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go nuts. And I think he is fantastic. And that's where I fall on it too. It's I'm mixed because there's some directing things I really liked. There's acting that I thought was fantastic. I thought there was some great writing and great characters too. So I'm mad at it because I think it was so close to being something really, really good but I feel like it just kind of misses. Yeah.
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I totally agree with you. I feel like my, like my favorite part was definitely like the, like the direction. Like I feel like that was really great. Like I liked a lot of that aspect of it. But like, yeah, then again, like my major problem is it's like, of course, like I thought like the performances were really great. Like all around these like Robert Pattinson and like you said, but then like the problem is like, he's playing like this character. Like that's like, he's like so distraught and he does a really good job at it. But like, like you said, like I just don't see the stakes to like make it make sense. Kind of. Yeah, because it's
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like, cause what we're really talking about is a 15 or 16 year old who had a thought and they're all spiraling out about that. And I said to you guys as we were leaving I was like, I always have this big belief with myself which is like, don't judge me for anything. that I said or did before I'm 25. And that's not because I just like, you grow and that's when you make these changes. That's when you have these thoughts. There's so many times I've seen people like, oh, I wanted to drive my car off the road or I wanted to hit that person like, but you don't do it, but you've had that thought. And
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it's like, well, then are we treating everybody like this? And then I'm like, well, what's the
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point of the movie? Is the point of the movie that we're all fucking flawed narcissists, so don't cancel anybody because we're all terrible people. And if that's the point, I don't think that that point was fully realized either. You know, I mean, I don't mind that point that like why cancel anyone because we're all pieces of shit, but I don't think that that's, I don't know. I didn't think that was really there. And I think that that actually is worsened by the fact that Robert Pattinson didn't do anything wrong. Like when they're revealing all the things that they've done wrong, like he did nothing wrong. So that also makes him a tricky character. Like it's funny or if he did something wrong and then, but you did the thing. And
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then it's at least a funny,
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I don't know, put some stakes to their relationship too. Yeah,
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I agree with you on the point. When I was watching it, you know, I had these thoughts, like it was kind of, there was a lot of like millennial, like a millennial cringe and like Gen Z, like, you know, the Gen Z like hysteria and like the, the, the wokeness of it. And I think Borgli was trying to like, you know, poke holes and like make fun of it in ways. But I don't feel like that was executed. It felt like they were just like genuinely just cringe. And it, and like, but like, I also had this other thought that was like, like, what would the reaction be if like you like heard that you're like, your girlfriend like had a suicide attempt or something. And like, yeah, and like, like try to shoot herself and like it like didn't work or something. Like that's like almost on the same stake level. And like ever, like a lot of people like think about that. That's like a thing that a lot of people think about.
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Especially in high school, like, right? I mean, like that's the other thing. It's like high school. a time when you are the most emotionally fragile and and exposed and you have these dark thoughts and I think what's so cool about the movie is they show yeah she thought about it and her reasoning for not doing it like when she said oh someone else did it I actually think that that's like her 15 year old brain making that justification whereas maybe when the real world thing happened it actually created stakes for her because it became real and even though as somebody else I don't think that she was like oh now it just seems boring if I do it I think but that's how she justified it to herself because she was like so committed to this persona and then changed but it was all in secret it was all it it wasn't
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like she was a Nazi and then decided not to be a Nazi
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it was like it was just a secret persona that she lived in to help her get through
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her days like who even I guess like there's no way to really know like maybe she has convinced herself that she would have done it I mean she made it sound like she would have done it but also like maybe like you said like I think when someone actually did it like she maybe she kind of woke up like that it isn't just some like cool like sort of persona that she could put on like it's like yeah there there's real stakes and also it's like she was like you know doing all this stuff like she was like filming herself and like painting her face and there was this whole kind of like acts she was putting on and and like she said she said that she thinks she was like drawn to kind of like the aesthetics of it yeah
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and it's it kind of makes sense though because like like
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everything like there's a there's going to be like aesthetics of like stuff like that and you know maybe she really was just interested in that and then she thought oh maybe I could do that like she just had the intrusive thought but then clearly she wasn't like a bad person and she was also like bullied and stuff she she was just trying like I think she was just trying to find the crowd and then eventually she did she was an activist did
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did you guys say all right because if not then I'll I don't know who said it but I was talking to somebody about it and It was like, I don't think he actually understands school shootings, right? Because they are
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like, you know, it's like it's almost like, because he
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it's like, it's like everyone's like, oh, it's the third rail of our society. Like he touched it. It's like, I don't think he touched it. If he touched it, it would be like making a movie about that girl planning a high school shooting and then doing it. That would be the
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touching of it. This is like, this is sort of like,
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uh, like it's like a bad would you rather? Like, you know, like,
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you know, it's like, it's that kind of feel of like there's no real, there's
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no real stakes to it. And if he's making fun of that. Wokeness, this is what I think I get irritated with is like, I don't know. I feel like wokeness gets lumped together with so many things. And it's like, it's like, oh, well, I don't know. I feel like wokeness is. Like if you want to take a chart, if you're going to take aim at it, you could do it in such a better way. And you can show these people in a much more interesting light. But I think what you've done is you created these like weird stereotypes. I don't think that you, I don't think you get either target. I don't think it was like, I didn't walk away going, oh, this generation is kind of fucked because this generation isn't even millennial. I mean, they're 30 year olds, right?
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And yeah, or she's a 30 year old patents and it's like a 40
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year old. Uh, like, what are we talking about? These are adults. These are like, they're not even, they're not even young. Like, you know, yeah,
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I don't know what he's attacking here. And honestly, like we're at a point now where it's like, it's, we got way, I mean, obviously we have way bigger issues to worry about than like wokeness. But like, I think we're getting to a point now, like when generation, like alpha and like early Z, like getting to a point where like, we're like relapsing into a point that's not woke anymore. And,
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and I think that's a more interesting
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thing to talk about than like poke holes at the like woke, wokeness of it. I think it's a more, you know, a more interesting subject to talk about the, the relapse. of you know this racism that's coming back and things like that and it's like that's such a small issue that's all especially last year and all those movies have been covered
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already and it's like we get it like it
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was overkill or whatever it's like they're doing they're honestly doing too much with it. I mean and
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and I will say too I don't want to like judge the movie like this but it is pretty hilarious to me that you're making a movie about a kid who thought they were going to shoot up their school it's a young black girl it's like and
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I know that they address it like in the movie like oh well there
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actually are female shooters like yeah but that's not like the that's not the core demo of what we're talking about here too
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so it's also like school shooter school shooter yeah it's like
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and there was something about it where I was like I don't like I was like you know it just is a funny weird thing in the sense of like I was like okay sure and you know it just like but I don't know I mean and it's again it actually if anything it actually gave me more sympathy to see her like being like picked on by these like mean white girls in a way like I'm like oh I actually like it actually feels harsher
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than like if it was like a nerdy like a white
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kid I don't know I like and then I'm like I'm on her side.
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I mean also like I don't know like
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if and it was like pointed this out but like I I'm like a little confused like what he was playing at because like I'm pretty sure there was like four main like couples in the movie and it was like the parents of Robert Pattinson Robert Pattinson and Zendaya Zendaya's parents and then Alana Hyman and her husband
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yeah and so three out of
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the four couples were like mixed race and then yeah and it's like I just didn't see like what he was playing at like it just felt like I don't know it was like weird like the whole movie it just felt kind of weird I don't know and and that
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being said I laughed a lot like I mean that that Both DJs are
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so funny. And I think that that's the thing. It's like, oh,
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you can execute really funny stuff. The photographer was great. The dance instructor is great, like all that stuff. And I was like, and I also think to your point, the other thing that kind of muddies the entire movie is I think what he's playing on is the cold feet that you get the week up to getting married. I don't know if that's I got married. I didn't have like cold feet like that. It's a very like I feel like it's a very movie kind of problem. Like, oh, I'm getting married. What am I married in the right person? But
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they were so solid in their foundation.
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Like I would almost prefer this movie as like a Woody Allen movie or like a Noah Bombeck movie where a
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character like a Ben Stiller is like, I don't know if this is right.
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If you know, are we rushing into getting married? And then this comes out and it almost gives them a reason to spiral. But because they were so solid, it felt like, well, do you not even I don't know at every relationship that I've been in, if I feel like I know that person, I give them the benefit of the doubt. It wasn't like they just met. It was like and I felt like we didn't know them enough to even by that reaction. It felt like it was a complete stranger or something like that. You know, that that I think was also confusing. But I think he was playing up on like the wedding angle of it. But but yeah, there's a lot. It to me, it feels like a great pitch. And I feel like I see why everybody wanted to do this movie. I get it. Oh, cool. Yeah. I
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also think like it would have been a different movie if he didn't cheat after it came out. I felt like it could have been a cooler movie if he cheated, you know, like got cold feet and was like, oh, I can only like make love to one person for the rest of my life. Yeah. Cheats of this co-worker. And then he's freaking out. And then he he realizes that his girlfriend's done a school shooting. And
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it's like that that that'd be way more interesting if it was like, oh, now now they're on like the same level. She although I
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think I don't know. I'd really like, so they'd be like, oh,
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great, like maybe it'd be better for them if it was like, I cheat on you, but you play at the school shooting, even though I think from our point of view, like the viewer's point of view, like cheating on your wife as like a 30, four year old that you're about to get married to is so much worse than having the thought of a shooting. Like there's no action there.
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Well, and you know what, I thought that moved, I thought they were trying to go for that. I had an issue with the end, which is like, he asks his assistant, who I thought was really great in the film as well. He's like, what's the worst thing that you ever did? And she's like, oh, I cheated on someone. And I think that he internalizes that because he's never done a terrible thing. And when he goes to kiss her like that, I think that's his attempt to do a bad thing, to kind of balance the scales.
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But because he never says that, that
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to me is a really funny comedic moment, right? Why are you mad at me? You did this thing. I was like, well, that's not the same. But no one ever
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kind of lays the baseline of
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that. I think sometimes you would need to say that to make it clear, but it also felt like that moment of the assistant could have been so much funnier if he told her the story and she would have just been like, who cares?
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And then that almost drove her nuts because for her to
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say, call the cops. I was like, well, now this whole movie is insane. And why
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is he into her? And I'm like, I
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don't know. It just felt a little all over the place. Yeah, it just went off
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the rails there. It needed one person to be
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like, this doesn't matter, dude. Calm down. It's like, it could have been... Yeah, the other... Also,
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I would have maybe liked it if it
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was Alana Heim's boyfriend because then they have like the B2. Yeah, because
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Alana Heim's boyfriend was like, I think it was like right after he said it, he was like, do you need me to like, he's like, don't go back to the apartment, just leave. I can like get you like safety. Like,
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like, like, like, like Zendaya's like actively
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planning to like kill him or something. Well, that was, but that
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wasn't, but that... was her fantasy, right? Or is that real?
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Wait, which? Wait, what? I'm sorry. When Zendaya
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is waiting for him on the couch and she sees Robert Pattinson with his best friend, I thought that's her fantasy of what he's out there doing. But it could
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be real. I thought I can't. I don't know.
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Because I think the movie does that. It bridges fantasy sequences in real life.
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But I thought that one actually was confusing because
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I was like, wait, is that true? And then when he comes
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home, he's like, oh, I just got you coffee. But then you're like, but is it? And
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it wasn't done in a way. It could have been on both
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ways, yeah. I mean, I feel like, because clearly Alonaheim was like, I mean, her character was the most mad about it. I mean, especially probably because her cousin was like a victim or something. I'm pretty sure. Right, but I think
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it's so general too. It's like of a shooting,
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but yeah. Yeah, that was, I think, part
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of the playing to the wokeness part of it. She was also great, though. She was amazing. Yeah,
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she was great. But then, yeah, so I feel like it seemed like in that sequence, if it was not a dream, then it would be kind of weird because then the next time we see him, like him and Alonaheim are talking to Robert Pattinson in that room, he's like more the, trying to be like a mediator. So
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it's a bit weird, yeah. I just think it's like, to me, I feel like it's a tricky role for Zendaya or Zendaya to play because she is, I actually feel like, and I wanna say this with the utmost respect, she has to kind of play the straight and narrow role, like because she is the, I guess she is the straight person, but it's also hard to make the straight person the person that is the focus of everything too. Cause she's like, I love her at the scene with the knife and everything like that, but she's like, she doesn't really even get a moment to really, Be like what the fuck? I mean she kind of does at the end when it all kind of explodes when she finally is caught with like him cheating But I feel like I Don't know. I feel like I would I would like to have seen her. I Mean, she she's also terrible too. She fires her friend for not talking to her It's I think it just wants to do so much stuff. I think that's what it gets to the root of it It's like you just can't wrap your hands on this you can't get your hands on this movie in a way where I Think everyone will just talk about it will be the movie where They have that drunken scene where she reveals that she wanted to shoot somebody and that's like I think that's where Yeah, the
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same way that the last movie is like the movie where
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Nicholas cages and everybody's dreams And the same thing happened with that where just kind of the third act just kind of Gets messy and it's like okay. I like the first act of his movies a lot I just feel like the payoffs and stuff are they they start to feel weak Yeah, I
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also you know did not like the ending at all. I thought the ending was like That's like uh, it's okay. I felt like
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easy. It felt like I felt like the studio like must
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have bit Like it felt like the studio was like we can't have the ending you want Let's let's end on a high note. It felt like I don't know it felt bad
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I'm gonna blame the director one
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more time and my chance of never working with this person by saying It was purely financed by like three people. I don't think there's anyone I don't think a 24 is even I think a 24 Bought this off a can
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or you know, and I think it's like this is the version that he wanted
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to make I think kudos to a 24 for keeping this a secret because when you said it to me before we went in Like I think it's about a high school shooting. I was like what no, I think you're
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like I Did I couldn't I just didn't believe you I just was like this is
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have you guys ever seen you you mentioned
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you? Loved nirvana the band the show the movie. Yeah,
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and have you ever seen Matt Johnson's
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other movie the dirties?
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No, I heard it's very good. Yeah library. Yeah, very good.
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It's about a shooting. Yeah, that's
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that's really good. I just watched it. I started it with Max then I finished it. But yeah, that that's a really good movie. And that's like that's like, more of a movie that's like actually kind of like addressing it more. So like, but
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also in a way that it doesn't feel like too
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heavy, like it's not like elephant, but it's like a comedy.
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It's a comedy. It's basically the premise of it is that Matt Johnson and his friend are in his film class and they have the idea to make a movie about them shooting their school bullies. And like killing their school bullies. And it's like funny. But then the teachers like we can't premiere this because they're like, you know, like, doing blackface and
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like, like cursing and doing stuff like that.
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And then they're like, Oh, wait, I think I have a better idea. What if we actually make a film where we actually go kill our school bullies? And then their ideas and then Matt starts to make a film where he's planning an actual school shooting. It's I
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can't I'm very excited to see that I it's very good.
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I also feel like we like, you know, we've talked about these things.
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And I guess like when a movie like heathers came out, like, there weren't really school shootings. Right. So it's like, but that was like, they were killing kids in school. It wasn't it wasn't as violent. But the end of the movie in heathers is just like, they blow up this school or that's
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what they try. Yeah. I
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just I mean, I'm just curious, and not to make this like an ageist thing. But like, what was your like, it like a movie about school shootings, does that hit differently for you? Is that something that you're like, Oh, I like just in the general sense is that like, does it just feel like lame? Like in a way? Or like, is there anything that that brings them a bigger connection to you?
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I mean, like, I don't necessarily know like, if this I mean, like, like this movie, it's like, not like, like, I haven't seen like elephant, but that's the only movie that I can think of that's like, actual like depicting like just like a school shooting happening. So like, I mean, this movie is like, she's not actually like shooting up a school, but like the one thing for me about like school shootings is like, I never really knew like about them happening until I think when I was in like fourth grade, like I was like getting a haircut and then like saw on the news, like about, like there was that one like really big one in Texas, I think.
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Yeah, so that's kind of the first time like I actually
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like heard about like a school shooting. And then like, I remember like, I was like talking about it with my parents and then like when I actually found out about that one, then like I started like to hear about like all the other ones. And it was kind of like, oh, whoa, this is like a really big thing. Like shootings happen all the time. Like I never realized it. And then like, I remember like for like probably like a week or two, I was like, I was like scared to go to the mall because I was like, I was like seriously paranoid about like a school shooting or not a school shooting, just any shooting in public happening. But then like obviously now, not anymore, but like it's kind of weird and pretty horrible to like live in a society where there's always like somewhat of a risk of going out that like there is a possibility that like a shooting could happen. Yeah, it's
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so many of them. Like it's not even in schools,
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yeah. Yeah, I remember like
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one of the, like I was pretty aware of like school shootings and like they could happen. Like the first one that like actually kind of like hit me really hard is there's this guy like named Elliot Roger. I don't know if you know who, yeah, you know what? Do you know who that is? No,
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no, no. He's like, he was
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basically like they like, they claim him to be the incel hero. Like cause
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he's like a misogynistic guy who like basically
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like he couldn't like get any girlfriends and no girls liked him. So he just went out and just was a mass murdering, killed like all of these women. And I was, and it was crazy. And the reason I was, And like people were like idolizing him. And I was like, this is crazy. This can't be like, people can't be doing this. I just
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remember it hitting me super hard when I saw that people
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were like idolizing a shooter. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know
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that guy. Yeah, he was like a, he was like an influencer. So he was documenting, he was like on TikTok. So he was basically, I've heard about him. He was like literally like documenting everything, like leading up to it. And then he may have been live streaming or like posting like him actually like killing people.
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I remember he- So yeah, I'm looking at it right now. It says a minute
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before his attack in Toronto, he posted to Facebook, the incel rebellion has begun. Yeah.
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Oh, I remember- Throw all the chads and Stacy's, all
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hail the supreme gentleman, Elliot Roger. God damn. Yeah,
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that was part of his manifesto I think. I remember reading about that. Another big one that hit me is like, when that guy went into the church and shot everyone in the church and then was like subscribed to PewDiePie. Cause I
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remember I would watch PewDiePie all the time and watch his like
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gaming videos. And I still was like, looked at PewDiePie and I was like, yo, wait, what? Why is it not shooter saying subscribe to one of my favorite YouTubers?
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That one hit me pretty hard too. But
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yeah, it's like, I mean, it's like, it's got to a point where at least for me, when I see people like make things about something that's taboo, it almost feels corny to me sometimes.
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I mean, like when there's obviously something that's
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good that's made about it. But when someone's like, when someone kills children in a movie, like I don't, I don't find that upsetting. I just find it corny that you did it.
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Yeah. Well, I feel like it's like, I feel the way this one dealt with it was like, like edge lordy, right?
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Like it feels like, oh, but it's like, cause it's,
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it kind of makes you have your, like. I was saying to my wife, I was like, this is a movie for people who are not edgy at all to be like, I just saw this movie and it was
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really fucking edgy. Like, you know, it's like, cause it's like, it's
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not. And, and I think that maybe the way I feel about it is if you're gonna touch a subject like that, then say something about that subject. But I also don't think, I almost feel like if this movie is about a different subject, it might have gotten the point out more or something. I don't know, like, I feel like if you're gonna touch a subject like this, maybe the thought is, or at least from, I don't know if I fully believe this, but I'm saying it, that like, you should honor the idea that this is like a bigger deal, like it, I don't know, he threw it away, or I guess he just didn't examine the idea. And I think it's like, it's a lack of understanding of it. Not like, I wasn't offended by it, I wasn't. But I think, but when you have it there, it feels like, oh, it deserves more than just throwing it out to throw it out, because then I think it is corny. It's like, it just feels like, I'm saying this. You know, it's as offensive, or not as offensive, but it's as like, as dumb as like when people make like a joke about, you know, whatever. You make any sort of stereotypical joke. It's as lame as that, because like, well, unless you have a point of view, it's just like a dumb, it's just a dumb joke. You're just saying it to be edgy. That's what I kind of felt like it was. It didn't feel like it was more
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than that. I mean, because everyone was getting so like angry about it, but then they never actually, like you said, like they never went into the actual like idea or anything about what like a school shooting actually is. It was just like, no, there's no way you would do that. Oh, I don't know what to do. Like, it would, yeah. Yeah,
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I don't know. It's like, there's just something about it that's left me wanting. And I think that there's like one or two really good lines in there. I thought the line that stuck with me the most. is think about how many school shootings and I'm paraphrasing like think about how many school shootings there are and how many people came close but didn't actually do it and I think that that's true like I think that that's a true like really interesting point of view that I never really had but like I never really thought about right like how close we all come to something that could be really awful but people don't do it and and I mean and in that way you know it's the weird thing it's like I'm not like if someone told me this I wouldn't really like I talked to somebody today was like oh yeah I was a cutter when I was 12 years old and I was like I wasn't like what well
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talk to you what do you mean you know like
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you know it's like yeah I don't like I've used as a human being like yeah we all went through some shit like and that was a person I don't know it's just like I just think it's like like I guess the movie would have been way funnier to me if she was schizophrenic and she was like oh yeah when I was a kid I went I went to mental hospital for a while I had like a schizophrenic breakdown now I'm a mess and now and I'm fine yeah oh
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shit like wait wait like I mean it's
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at least gives me them like not to say that that's some
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stakes yes stakes or something it gives me some something
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to like hold on to I think that's what I think I keep on coming back to I think
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an interesting question because school shootings is obviously one of the most you know taboo things you can talk about in a movie I remember someone said never make a movie about a school shooting but is do you think that there is anything that is too taboo to take a movie to make a movie about or do you think it's you know all on the table I'm a big believer
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that if you have the right voice to tackle something you can tackle anything and I look at stuff like
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Borat Team America
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world police blazing saddles, like all these movies that people go, you could never make that movie today. Yeah, you could. Blazing saddles, you could definitely make that movie. It's about racism and it's like, and it's like maybe our culture reacts too quickly to certain things. Like I think that like Paul Thomas Anderson definitely took some of that heat because he was portraying something in licorice pizza at a certain point and they're like, well, no, but that's not the way it should be. It's like, well, but that's his view. That's a certain time. That's what he's capturing. I think he also hit it. He got it in one battle after another, too. I think that people can't sometimes separate, like, what, like, I'm a big believer that, and you guys may hate this movie, but I really liked Eddington. And I was like, Eddington to me is a satire. I'm like, I think it's really, really funny. And I think a lot of people went in there and are like, this is serious shit. Like, why are, like, and they didn't see the jokes in it. And not to say that you're wrong, but I saw that as a satire, but I also saw people misconstrued it. And I think the issue is not can we not touch it, but how people are going to misconstru it. I guess that's what you have to do. You have to be open with people saying they're not going to get, some people are going to be like, just take it at face value and never get it. That, I think so. Like in my mind is like, there's nothing you can't touch as long as you are like respectful of it and attach it, they attack it the right way. I don't know. I mean, what do you guys think? Yeah.
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I mean, I definitely see that. Like, but yeah, it makes sense. It seems like, I don't like when people say like, you could never make this movie today because like, I feel like the whole thing is that like, we've been like progressing as a society and like become like more like positive and like more accepting and like now we can create more like, I guess the only time that it'd be like, it makes sense like not to make a movie if it was like, like racist propaganda or like something that was like absolutely
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like that. Like, yeah, but
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like preservation. You actually couldn't make Birth of a Nation now. Yeah, right.
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But like a movie like Four Lions, like when that came out, Four Lions is like an amazing movie. We've got a guy who becomes like a suicide bomber. Like, you know, it's like in Homeland is a TV show where you're following a guy who's like wrestling with like being a suicide bomber. Like there are these things. It's all just about like how like it's all how you handle it. And I think you can see that in like certain stand up. You know, like I always say that you can disagree with Bill Burr, but I think that he does enough work on all of his jokes that even if he has a point of view that you don't agree with, it's like comedically sound. And I feel like that's your only obligation is like, can you stand behind it as like not like somebody said to me one time, like you don't want the audience like there's like two types of laughs. Like one type of laugh, like I get it. It's funny. And the other types of laughter is like
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with a mouthful of blood.
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And I always think about that idea like a mouthful of blood being like, oh, you're laughing at the wrong reason. You're laughing at it the wrong way. Like you are just laughing at the racism of it or you're laughing. You're like, and that's the dangerous thing. I think culturally sometimes we have lost that ability to separate. Like we see everything is black and white and it's hard sometimes to find nuance. I think comedy is great. It's like to do something well. You have to show a certain side of something. I guess we're at an offensive character like I guess you could look at that or you could say, oh, it's an interesting way of like viewing how Americans look at that. Or, you know, what is that? You know, it's like, I don't know. I think but like. Yeah, I think anything can be offensive because everyone can get offended by something, but I think it's, you know, I think South Park for many, many years has done an amazing job of being offensive, but pointed and funny and stuff like that too. Yeah,
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I mean, before watching this, I read an article
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about. basically just from like the point of view of a bunch of like Gen Z people that were like actually super mad that they didn't know this movie was about a school shooting before. Yeah, I saw that, yeah. So
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of course, I mean, but of course there's
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gonna be people who like we deserve a warning like stuff like that because I would assume that like there is of course like every single movie has like there's a group of people that has a problem with it. It's just always gonna be true kind of. I
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got, we got yelled at by multiple people when we did an episode of how did this get made and we started talking about snakes. And
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people are like, I'm allergic, I'm
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scared of snakes and you guys talking about it like triggered me and you should put warnings about, you were talking about snakes on this podcast and was like, what? Like, like, you know what
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I think you're just starting
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conflict to start conflict at that point. They're trying to, they
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obviously don't like the podcast for a different reason. I mean,
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there's like, there's no way that they
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get triggered by snakes. Well, and I guess it might have
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a personal problem. Yeah. And this is what I come
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back to all the time is like, we want trigger warnings on things that
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we feel like trigger people, but
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you tell me how many movies have a dead baby in it. Like I feel like 90% of dramas is like, oh, my baby died, oh, the baby died. Like Hamnet didn't have a thing in there. And they're like, oh, and the baby dies. Just make sure that you make sure before you go into Hamnet that you're gonna see a baby die. Oh, and then this, you know, it's like, like baby dying is like, I feel like all these like emotional dramas is like, why are they so upset? Because a baby died. Oh, you know, it's like, that's a reveal. Like, and it, and that feels so cliche to me. It's like, couples can only have a problem because they're baby died. Now I understand that that's a very awful thing and I'm not making fun of that. But it's like, why does that get a weird pass? But if you talk about like, you talk about snakes, I want to trigger warning. You talk about school shooting. I don't want to trigger warning, but that, but dead babies, we don't want to trigger warning on that.
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I don't know. I just feel like it's like that, and that's like
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an equal opportunity. I don't know. It's like, and then it's, well, yeah, everything triggers. My favorite joke one time was on the show that I saw where it was like a waiter was taking somebody's order and the person table was like, oh, what do you think is good here? And he's like, why does that help you? I could have completely different tastes than you. If I tell you what I like does not mean anything to you. My favorite thing is fish. If you ate fish, what are you gonna eat the fish? And it's like, yeah, it's like, why are we trying to create a baseline of like everyone's the same? It's like, it's not, you know, it's like, yeah, we're gonna get offended. And I think that that's movie's jobs. Like I watched Team America, World Police. I'm like, there's a couple of things in there. I'm like, I don't know if that holds up or I think that's a little offensive, but I'm like, but I can't sit there and complain about it because I think who cares? Like, it's like, yeah, that didn't rub me the right way, but that's okay. But
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yeah, I mean, with time, everything's gonna, you know, feel like that. It was the moment. It was like, it's hard to, you know, say something like that. I mean, we did watch Animal House. What did we watch? Yeah,
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Animal House, yeah. Yeah, we watched Animal House. That didn't hold up.
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But it's, you know, it's going to things are, like as time progresses, things are gonna feel like they're like too, you know, taboo to talk about, but like you're gonna, like, the reason film can also be like in a, you know, informational and like a informational entertainment way, like making a movie about Columbine, like Elephant isn't like off limits. It's not only like a movie for like entertainment also informing people about this could happen. Like, and not, it shouldn't be like, you know, it shouldn't be off limits to talk about something in your art.
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Yeah, it shouldn't be off, like off limits. Like, yeah, you know, like, I mean. the whole point of movies is like to show like, you know, like what happens as a human, like the human condition and all this stuff is done by humans. So it's not like off limits, as long as you're not like seriously just trying to make fun of it.
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And I think that this movie works so much better not knowing the spoiler. Like, cause when you said it, I was like, oh, and then when it started, I was like, oh, that must have been wrong information. But then it, because I think it's important for that shock to hit you, right? Like, I think that this
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movie is important. It's important to do that. I think like
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the same thing for, you know, it's a different experience watching Psycho knowing that Norman Bates is actually acting out as his mother versus watching the movie and seeing that twist. It's the same thing with like, so sense
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or Darth Vader or whatever you want to call it. Like twists
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are there for the audience. And I think that when, you know, when they get brought up, it's
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you're wrecking, you're wrecking a part of the movie. I think that's movies, I think
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the reviewers and the movie itself did a really good job of hiding the thing. Because actually, I think if I was prepped, I don't know if I would be so psyched to see it. I think I would be rolling my eyes before it. Whereas I was like, oh, this is interesting. And I just didn't feel like it paid off. Like, you know, it wasn't like, I wasn't triggered, I wasn't upset. It was just like, it just didn't feel like it, I just feel like, I think it's important to have those twists. But yeah,
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I also feel like do
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something with a twist if you're going to do it. Yeah,
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I agree. Let's see. When you
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- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was going to ask, when you were young, did you have like a specific taste or what were some of your favorite movies? Oh
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man, growing up, like I was, I worked at Blockbuster when I was in high school. So like, I was a big movie nerd and I had a Laserdisc player, which was like, before even a Blu-ray player. So. I was like, then laser displayer, you have to flip over. It was like a vinyl, like to have
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an A side and a B side. So like, you know, so yeah, like I
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think I grew up in this like really amazing time of like cheap comedy. I mean, and I don't know, like I'm gonna throw out all things all over the board, but it was like, movies like one crazy summer with like John Cusack that I thought like really made a dent in my brain. And then, you know, Ferris Bueller's Day Off to like Terminator 2, to like the last Boy Scout in Lethal Weapon. And you know, like I was in this era where every weekend I went to the movies and there was something there and it could be as bad as like a Dana Carvey movie. I was like, I like Dana Carvey, I'll go see that movie. I saw everything. And then when I started working in the video store, I would find weird stuff and I would be like, oh, I love Reservoir Dogs. I'm gonna go watch Tim Roth in this movie called Jumping at the Boneyard. And I was like, all right, like great. I was just like, I would like let it expand my worldview. But where I think I was, this is the biggest turn I would say. When I saw Welcome to the Dollhouse by like Todd Solens, I was like, this is weird. I don't like it. And it's not funny and it's not good. And then I got involved in like really doing comedy and then I watched it again. I was like, this movie's genius. It's so funny. It's so good. So I think my
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taste definitely matured. I
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think I'm busted and broken as far as like what offends me or what doesn't offend me as somebody who is one of the co-authors of Little 9-11, which was a sketch that we did on Human Giant where we reenacted 9-11 with little children. You know, and
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it's just some that could be offensive, but you know,
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to others, like we weren't making fun of 9-11. We just, we were in the... thing we were we put together a movie with a bunch of kid actors acting out 9 11. It was like
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it was it was all done like
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I don't know. It was like you know it was it wasn't it wasn't making fun of but it was more like making fun of the capitalization of that.
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You know and so yeah we definitely push
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limits and I don't think that there are things that even now offend me as much as I think now I get more irritated and I am more respectful of like of things and I like I just feel like I have a lot more patience. I understand now how to make things and I as much as we like make fun of stuff on how to just get made. We also salute stuff on unspooled. It's like to me it's I think you should always be challenged by movies. I think that you should not. I think that you should be okay not to like movies. I used to be like I don't I like every movie and now I'm like I'm okay. Like I want to have opinions. I want to like I want to challenge myself. I want to watch things that I would never really watch like a movie like Jean Dielman which like was on the BFI top list and it's like a four-hour movie like a woman like living in her apartment. It's amazing. I don't think I ever need to see it again but I don't know I don't like I just feel like I didn't yeah. I don't know that's kind of like a bigger answer than what you asked but yeah I just loved everything. I had a video store in my my house. I would like steal DVD cover boxes and just make a video store. I had everything. It's
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awesome. Yeah that's yeah I feel like I feel like physical media is taking a comeback in yeah
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and now I think at least yeah you
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know because everything feels so like you know it's at your fingertips like people I think want the want the physical kind of thing like a DVD now.
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Well I think it's like what I miss is like when you came
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to my apartment in New York or my bedroom when I was a kid. It was like my CDs and my DVDs were prominently displayed. Like, and that was like
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that was my bookshelf, right? Like that was like this is my
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I am well read because I love these movies. It like it defined me. Those are my interests. And it's like, that's what books. I mean, I love reading and I read a lot. But I'm just like
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I and I had a bookshelf, too. But it's like
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I don't know why we got rid of that stuff because I love the DVD commentary. I love like a bonus feature. I feel like I learned so much from like the just like listening. To my favorite people, talk about my favorite movies. And like that's kind of gone. I love that Phil Lord and Chris Miller have like done a director's commentary that you can now bring into the theater. They have this app called Theater Ears, which is really a mainly a Spanish translating app. So you put in your AirPods and you can watch any movie at any theater. You just hit the button of what theater you're at and what time you're watching the movie. And it syncs up perfectly. And they've done that with their DVD. They've done that with their commentary track. That's
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cool. You can go in there. And that's that's really cool. I love it. I
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would go see movies multiple times if that was a part of it.
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Yeah, that's you know, I feel like but I do feel like I saw something that was like Gen Z is the leading people who go to the theaters. So I feel like it's not fully, fully gone. But I feel like yeah, people kind of crave that now since it's like all just like they're born. Yeah,
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my kids are nine and 11 and
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we go to movies and they like it. And it's like that's been the greatest trick for me is like getting them to like movies because I think for a long time they're like it's too long. And I was like, no, no, no. And they like my son, who is nine, like turned to me in the middle of Project Hail Mary and was like, this is my favorite movie ever.
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And I was like, this is awesome. I'm. I like that my kid
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is seeing a movie that kind of blows his mind. Like, you know, like, what is this? Like, and falls for the traps. Like, I'm in that movie Twisters, like, for a second. And we brought them to go see Twisters. And, you know, it's at the end of the movie and they're chasing the Twisters down and everything's happening. And they have this big plan to stop the Twister. And I look over at my son and he's like, oh, I hope it works, I
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hope it works. I hope it works. Oh, I love that, like, that knowledge.
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Like, you haven't figured it out. Like, it may not work for you. Like, it may not you. You think, oh, the tornado will come through. Like, they could lose. And that, I feel like I love, I love, I don't know. I just love watching movies with them because it's also like, they're watching it with such unjaded eyes. And I also understand, like, from them, like, what they don't want to see right away. Like, I'm always like, you guys want to go see Elio? And they're like, no, that looks like it sucks. And I was like, okay. And then they
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were like, and I heard it's actually pretty good. And then someone else was like, and I was like,
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how about this new Super Mario movie? Like, no, not interested. And then they love the first one. Like, so it's funny, but then, like, it's just funny where, like, the schoolyard even influences and stuff like that, too. I just love seeing what they're into. And I'll go see everything with them.
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Yeah. I've also noticed, oh, sorry. No, no, you go ahead,
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go ahead. I've also noticed that, like,
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because I've started to go to a lot of, like, like older, well, like, not old years. Yeah, revival stuff,
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yeah. Yeah, like, revivals, like, all of these older movie theaters,
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you know, like, Brain Dead, Vidiots. Yeah, like, movies like Arrow. So, like, yeah, it's always so fun to go, like, to reruns there. But whenever I go to those theaters, it's always packed. Like, it's always full at those theaters. Because, you know, like, at the end of the day, it's like, people, like, want to go, like, experience, like, movies that they love that, like, obviously, they want to go to the theater. But, you know, there's not always a movie like Mo Hall and Drive Out. So it's, like, not gonna be like that, but like people will go to the theater. Like if their favorite movie is showing in a theater that's driving distance away, like people want to go there. Like, cause it is, and like in my opinion, I would say like, it's like someone like objectively better to watch a movie in the movie theaters. Like, and just- Yeah, no
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distractions or allow. Yeah, I totally
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agree. I brought my kids to go see Goonies, which is a movie like I grew up,
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I love Goonies. And I know it hits different for different people.
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And that's a big part of my rule as a parent, which is like, I'm not trying to force my kids into anything. If I like Star Trek, I'm not gonna try to make my kids like Star Trek. I want them to, I don't want my choice of films to be like a punishment, right? So
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I try very hard to be like, what will we like
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together? And then I'll try different things and we'll see. But I really wanted to show them Goonies and I brought them to Vidiots and it was sold out. And the movie just crushes, I'm like a theater. And what was so fun was, it's everybody in there is like my age, they've already seen it, but my kids were like my age when I saw it originally. And they started laughing at these jokes and their young laughter like almost spread like wildfire through the crowd because it was like, you could almost hear like them hearing these jokes for the first time and like everyone like, no, it
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was so cool. What a great way to experience this movie because I think that that's
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the one thing you can't capture at home. Like a comedy just never plays as good. Like to me, Jackass 2 is probably one of the best theater experiences I've ever had because it was just like everyone was like, well, I can't believe I'm like, it was like
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insane. It's like, it's fun
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at home but it's nothing like what it was like in the theater. Yeah,
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like when I was watching like Friendship, it just felt so good to be in a theater where everyone was like laughing and you could laugh along with them. And it just, you know, it like hits extra hard when you're watching it in a theater.
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100% because it also like, it tells you like what's funny. I think it also helps you like, like it's like when people go, that wasn't funny. It's like, well, did you, like, I did this movie called The Gutter that Yasser Lester co-wrote and co-directed. Super funny guy, super great standup. Him and his brother directed it. And it's a really funny movie and it's big and it's bold and it's stupid. And I saw it at South by Southwest and it just like crushed in a way that was just real. Like it's, it wasn't, that wasn't packed with all friends. It's Texas, it's real people. And when I would look at the reviews and be like, oh, it wasn't funny. I was like, well, you, like, I've been in premieres of a comedy that has not been funny. And you're like, oh yeah, it was great. But this crushed and it's like, and I always feel like, did you watch it with people? Because I think that's an important part of it. It may not be your sensibility, but it is funny. You can't just say it's not funny.
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You know, it's not funny to you. What were your guys'
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like first movie theater memories? I don't know if you guys have already talked about that, but like, do
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you remember? Actually, I don't think we have.
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I don't think, I definitely remember mine. I think like the first movie theater memory I had is watching Moana in theaters with, yeah, way back then. And I remember about like at the start, there's like a short film of like a volcano or something. Yeah, like a
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lava river. It's like the, there's
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that like ukulele song. But then I remember like seriously being like scared of like the lava monster. Like,
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I was like, actually, I was like genuinely
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like emotionally, like that was like the first time I remember like actually feeling like emotion for a film. Like that lava monster was like very scary. Oh, I love that.
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Yeah, I think my first movie
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experience I remember is I went to go see Ghostbusters, like in the theater, like in the revival of it. Oh,
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fun. And I remember in like the four, One of the first scenes,
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I can't remember what happened, but I got so scared and I just threw my popcorn up in the air.
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Like straight out of like a movie
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and it landed on everybody and my parents were so embarrassed because
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everyone was so annoyed because I got like the large
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bucket and it just went everywhere the moment I got scared. But that's like my first thing that I remember. I love that.
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But yeah, I feel like that like movies, like those are more like,
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I can remember that more than the first movie I watched because it's an experience. Yeah, you have to actually like go there and like experience it rather than just at home,
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like. I mean, like the first movie I watched, I don't remember what it was, but like all I know is that like I probably watched like, or no, I do. It was like Kiki's delivery service, I think. Okay.
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And like, cause like my parents just had that on DVD
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and I probably watched that movie like every day for like, like from the age of like two to three. Well, I
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think that like the cool thing, there's something really interesting to like, you guys came up in a time where there just are a lot more movies for kids, like when you were kids, like
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when I was a kid, it was like you get one like every
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four months. So then you were forced to like, not forced, but I was like, I was just watching straight up PG movies that were just not made for kids. You were just like, I'm just watching like Bert Reynolds in a movie or something weird. I'm like, something I had no connection to. Like, and then every now and then I'd be like, oh my God, the two Corey's are in a movie? This is going to be the fucking best. You know, I was like, but it's like,
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you know, like cause a Disney movie would be,
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Disney movies didn't come out with any kind of regularity. And when they were, I was like, I don't know. They didn't seem like as they wasn't like cool, like Pixar or, you know, so I just remember like, I saw so many, so many shitty things. But the one memory I do have is it was always like, scary to me because at the movie theater in my neighborhood, my gym teacher worked there where I get managers
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or something like that. I was like, always like going to the movie theater and seeing my gym.
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teacher there was like a very daunting experience.
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I mean, yeah, whenever we said we saw our teacher, like walking in, like two, before we went to go see, like to meet you in front of the theater, we saw our teacher at the Americana. It was
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so weird. Yeah, it was very
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uncomfortable. Yeah, it is. Yeah,
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it's, and they're like with their husband and they're like
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weird. Yeah, it's always just weird, like the, yeah,
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to see like a teacher I once got, I got
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online at the Arclight and I stood behind my therapist and she turned around and she's like, Oh, hi.
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I'm not supposed to see you out in the real world. Yeah, that's
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like late, like in Curb Your Enthusiasm
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when, when Larry's therapist or
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like couple's therapist is the the
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wife of one of the writers on Seinfeld. So he has to go out to dinner with his therapist.
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And it's, yeah, yeah, it's so, you
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know, the best. But, um, I think this would have been
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a funnier Curb episode, the drama, right?
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Yeah, Larry, like, like Larry reacting to this
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and then people like, and that's the thing about Larry is like, he's the odd man out. Like if Robert Pattinson was the, the one person, maybe he, like, and then maybe like, Alana Hain was the only other person that reacted that same way and they hooked up because they both reacted crazily to this thing. I was like, I could see that, like, I don't know, but I kept on thinking it should have been a Curb episode. Like I could see
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it as a funnier Curb. True, true.
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Yeah, actually, that would have probably hit
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harder. Um, yeah, I think, I think just to end this off, do you have any advice to any young filmmakers or comedians out there? Um,
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my advice is always pretty boring, but I think it's the
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truest thing I can say, which is, uh,
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find like-minded people that build you up and are down to make stuff with you because That's the way you live in a business that it's so hard to get stuff made. And yes, there's so much stuff you can make yourself and that's amazing. So just make the stuff, other stuff will come. Don't worry if it's perfect, don't worry if it's right. Just make stuff and you'll learn. Like, you know, the first thing you make is not gonna be great. Like the first sketches I did, the first whatever, it just make shit with people that you like that are not in competition with you, but you are helping them and they are helping you because that's the only way you get better is just by making more and more stuff, finding your voice. I'm still finding my voice. Like, I know what I like, but I'm like, I expect like when I wrote my book, I was like, this is something I've never done before. I'm gonna do something completely different. And when I, like I try to do stuff out of my comfort zone all the time because I think it's important to just kinda continually self-assess, but the people I started off doing comedy with are the same people that I still do stuff with to this day because they are just, they're the best. And it's, these are my friends. And like, and just make stuff with your friends. Like, life is short, you will, you know, it's more fun to be working on something with people that you genuinely love because the work is really hard and you'll never be able to dictate how someone will receive it. So at least you had fun making it. And if you're proud of it, you're successful. Thank you so much,
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Paul. That's some great advice. That's some great advice. Thank you so
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much for being our guardian. It means so much to us. I was honored.
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I was honored. Yeah, thank you so much. I feel like we got a good movie. Thank you,
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thank you.